Midgarsormr and his children

[Kuwagami]

I've heard that Bahamut is one of Midgarsormrs descendants (resurrected as Primae, as Shiva who was once a ordinary human/elezen(?)). Has that proven to be a mistake?

Bahamut was indeed a son of Midgarsormr. He died a long time ago though Poor lad.

The true enemy is almost certainly Ascians. Ascians probably manipulated Ishgard into pissing off Nidhogg. Ascians probably gave Nidhogg dragon rabies. Rather than fighting Ascians though, both are fighting each other.

Ishgardians came here because "Halone showed them where they had to build the Holy City". Halone. FFS if the Ascians aren't behind that, it would refute all I've been theorizing about them. It's perfectly plausible they summoned Halone with the cult to gain control over the whole Ishgardian people (and start a long lasting war hurting Hydaelyn in the process) and assisted them after to ensure the conflict lasts long enough (where does that anti-dragon barrier comes from in the first place ? And why would Ysayle be able to break it like that ?).

Though with Lahabrea supposedly teaching to Ysayle how to summon Shiva (Theory "Lahabrea linked to Mateus and Ice summonings in general") it's a little strange, as she's acting against their 1000 years old strategy by quickening the war and urging the annihilation of whatever the dragons want to destroy in Ishgard (probably the Pope and the Ascians controlling him)

Also, if this expansion doesn't give us an Assault of the Silver Dragons... I'm gonna be so mad... I'm imagining 3.55 having Varis launch a new assault on Eorzea, with us leading Ishgard and dragons against it. Would be like 1.0s opening but a million times more epic.

I'd vote for that. Give me that. Please SE.

Possible, though that doesn't exactly make for a compelling justification for the genocide of an entire civilization. More so when you consider Nidhogg is well over 1,000 years old and, even if things had been rosy, Shiva would have died of old age long ago. Although dying a martyr means she gets to be an immortal Primal...

Maybe (I'm being crazy here and nothing directly points at that in the lyrics) he's super mad because Shiva was bearing.. Their child ? IF such an union is possible, and they have offspring, then the Church would surely just burn her in place on the spot. The lyrics say :

Two souls intertwined

One true love they did find

Bringing land and heavens near

But flames that burn full bright, soon fell dark

Memories dimmed by shadowed hearts

Implying that their relationship may not have been so "secret" in the first place. Then, there is that :

One soul's cry

A passion dwelling within

Sacrifice, a final plea to her kin

Yet this bond of hope, by treachery was broke

There is room for interpretation, but I think it is possible that the lovers had a child. Then she was burned by the madness of the cult. Dragons living as old as they do, it's possible that Nidhogg just couldn't mourn his loss yet (would a human be able to go over it within a few month/years if their SO got murdered horribly while bearing their child, and with the murderers going freely around ? Not sure. Chances are they'd try to make justice by themselves).

I don't think Nidhogg had a thing with Shiva. I think it was Hraesvelgr.

also there may be that. That would explain the retirement of Hraesvelgr, and the uproar in the war caused by Nidhogg (who had already lost his eye at that point iirc) might have been because he couldn't accept that his brother never tried to avenge Shiva. That would also explain why we negotiate with the white dragon and not the crazy one.

Mmh I totally missed it, it's really stated clearly...

Still, I don't think Bahamut is in this picture, so... there's still some mystery!

Midgardsormr and the Seven dwa... Dragon Sons

We don't know the true form of Bahamut though. The one who wrecked Eorzea was a summoned form, just like the one we see in Coil. If we can accept that Ifrit = Belias under an other name and appearance due to different believes at the time of Belias (so basically, a summon of fire taking the appearance and name the summoner wants it to have), Bahamut's appearance might have changed a bit through his summoning.

My personnal guess would be either : the lowest one, red-ish with an avian beak, or he's not on the picture and this picture actually doesn't show the 7 sons

(also,it may be possible that the "7 sons" refer only to living 7 sons, as Bahamut is dead since a long time.)


I hope my thoughts can serve as fodder for new theories ^^