No new SMNs for SMN?

[Spellbinder]

How would that be different than BLM? That would turn the summons into glorified casting animations, like they are in most of the console games.

Well considering the introduction of Deathflare, I'd say we're already stepping into glorified casting animation territory, aren't we? If they plan to take emphasis away from the Egi and put everything on the caster in the future, what else can they do?

[Bigcat9715]

snip.

I don't think you understand as it stands right now Sch is more of a summoner then the actual SMN job. Sch and their pet bounce off each other, and if the pet goes down the Sch only last so long without it (unless you Dissipation). The way SMN and their pet should be working is a 50/50 relationship with crossing buffs (like contagion and Spur), but the way FF14 SMN has been working up to this point is a 70/30 relationship. So now with the inclusion of the expansion abilities the scales have changed. Dreadflare has basically changed it to a 90/10 relationship, now you don't really even need your pet out.

[SuzakuCMX]

the way FF14 SMN has been working up to this point is a 70/30 relationship. So now with the inclusion of the expansion abilities the scales have changed. Dreadflare has basically changed it to a 90/10 relationship, now you don't really even need your pet out.

He said before we know any numbers on the new abilities or any adjustments to the egis....

[Soralis]

i love this new smn version the smn summon from within the bahamut spell as we saw it on the trailer, don't like a pet class i like smn to smn something as a spell than vanish

[Delily]

I don't think you understand as it stands right now Sch is more of a summoner then the actual SMN job. Sch and their pet bounce off each other, and if the pet goes down the Sch only last so long without it (unless you Dissipation).

I'll respectfully disagree with this. In either class, if my pet goes down, my priority is to get it back up asap. You covered the scholar's case, pretty well. Sure, I can keep people alive without either one, but it's not easy. In the case of the summoner, it's a 30% loss of damage. Clearly, in coil and ex fights, your group will feel that, but you don't need to go to that extreme, just run the ex roulette and see how quick it goes.

[Aureyo]

Please beat this dead horse some more...

[SirDiscoFrog]

Please beat this dead horse some more...

Must beat dead horse moar

[Asierid]

Stuff

Um. No?

SCH comes with 0 abilties which affect the summon, where as SMN has 2 (Spur and Enkindle). Both jobs are at their best when micromanaging the pet and suck without one. You're only pointing out the fact that SCH is a healer, so it suffers with no fairy. SMN also suffers when there is no pet present in the terms of a decent DPS loss. This can be easily seen by anyone who runs a parser, claiming the pet isn't a good source of DPS is pretty laughable really. Nothing changes in the expansion except now they have to juggle Bahamut stacks as well as their usual stuff, on top of DoT/pet damage running off of SpS which is a decent buff in itself.

Hard to say SMN isn't about the pet when 2/5 abilities in the game thus far buff the pet, the fact that you are basically channeling Bahamut (Look, more Summoner lore abilities), on top of Spellspeed buffing pet damage in Heavensward for the job. You even have to juggle two pets based on the fight. (Good Summoners do, which is what we should be basing this on)

I fail to see why you people are complaining.

[Noxifer]

Sorry I like sitting back and letting my pet do the work?

That's what I do when I do beast tribe dailies as a Scholar. I summon my pet Blackmage (FC mate), then furiously attempt to dot targets and get at the most one tick out of my dots before she burns them down to the ground. Finally had to tell her it was more fun to do them alone XD

[Delily]

Um. No?

SCH comes with 0 abilties which affect the summon, where as SMN has 2 (Spur and Enkindle)

Just to nitpick, both have Rouse. It's ACN, ability, but I tend to chain together Rouse, Fey Illumination, and Whispering Wind, but that's a topic for a different conversation.