Surecast Enhancements, Please!

[Bhuni]

But... Swiftcast does that too. So isn't that what swiftcast is for?

That seems redundant. It's like... Swiftcast is just a superior version of Surecast or something. If that were the case, that'd be worse than them doing the same thing because it would mean Swiftcast entirely invalidates Surecast.

Swiftcast can be used AFTER to recover your interrupted spell from an attack. Surecast is a prebuff to allow no interupts from the enemy during your next cast whilst rooted, cancelling the cast will remove the buff. On attacks that interrupt spells few they may be Surecast is superior.

[Atlaworks]

Swiftcast can be used AFTER to recover your interrupted spell from an attack. Surecast is a prebuff to allow no interupts from the enemy during your next cast whilst rooted, cancelling the cast will remove the buff. On attacks that interrupt spells few they may be Surecast is superior.

That's... that's not a thing. You can't interrupt a Swiftcasted spell because it makes it instant; there's no cast time to interrupt. Surecast is inferior in every way because it doesn't do anything Swiftcast doesn't do better.

[Bhuni]

That's... that's not a thing. You can't interrupt a Swiftcasted spell because it makes it instant; there's no cast time to interrupt. Surecast is inferior in every way because it doesn't do anything Swiftcast doesn't do better.

I said you can use swiftcast to recover from a previously interupted attack, no one where did I say you could interupt swiftcast.

[Atlaworks]

I said you can use swiftcast to recover from a previously interupted attack, no one where did I say you could interupt swiftcast.

Then how is surecast superior to swiftcast in any situation? You did say that.

Feel like Bhuni is arguing just to argue.

Honestly, OP has a point. If you can predict an interrupt to prebuff with Surecast, you could just as easily click the spell that is most likely already on your hotbar, not being useless AKA swiftcast.

To make matters worse, BOTH are also cross-classable. There's like no reason for Sure to exist outside pvp.

Actually, it's outclassed in PvP as well- the PvP action Equanimity allows casting without interruption by attacks for 10(15 traited) seconds, without expending the skill once you cast. It has a much longer recast time, but is essentially a far more potent Surecast.

[Bhuni]

I did not say any situation I said where interupted attacks are concerned it's better to prebuff Surecast for whatever attack that can interupt you instead of having to regain your lost GCD by using Swiftcast.

[Atlaworks]

I did not say any situation I said where interupted attacks are concerned it's better to prebuff Surecast for whatever attack that can interupt you instead of having to regain your lost GCD by using Swiftcast.

I did not ask you that either. I reiterate: Then how is surecast superior to swiftcast in any situation? Since Swiftcast will ensure your spells aren't interrupted either, why not just use swiftcast instead? Where did you say that?

You're contradicting yourself. My apologies.

[Bhuni]

I did not ask you that either. I reiterate: Then how is surecast superior to swiftcast in any situation? Since Swiftcast will ensure your spells aren't interrupted either, why not just use swiftcast instead? Where did you say that?

You're contradicting yourself. My apologies.

Swiftcast can be used AFTER to recover your interrupted spell from an attack. Surecast is a prebuff to allow no interupts from the enemy during your next cast whilst rooted, cancelling the cast will remove the buff. On attacks that interupt few they may be Surecast is superior.

Surecast is superior to Swiftcast in regards to handling incoming attacks that will interupt your cast not ANY situation where say you have to move for example.

[Wizarus]

I did not say any situation I said where interupted attacks are concerned it's better to prebuff Surecast for whatever attack that can interupt you instead of having to regain your lost GCD by using Swiftcast.

Surecast is terrible and you must be the only person I know that uses it in PVE. I've gotten more use out of Cure as a cross-class skill.

[Fynlar]

Surecast has its uses but they are so few and far between that even if I stuck it on an alternate crossbar (because it's sure not going on my primary one), by the time the moment of opportunity arrives, it's long gone by the time I can remember to swap to that other crossbar and find it and use it. >_>

I do agree that something ought to be added to it so that it isn't just an inferior version of Swiftcast, because that's exactly what it is right now. Even simply making it a duration effect instead of for a single cast would be at least something.

[Kuurei]

That's... that's not a thing. You can't interrupt a Swiftcasted spell because it makes it instant; there's no cast time to interrupt. Surecast is inferior in every way because it doesn't do anything Swiftcast doesn't do better.

Feel like Bhuni is arguing just to argue.

Honestly, OP has a point. If you can predict an interrupt to prebuff with Surecast, you could just as easily click the spell that is most likely already on your hotbar, not being useless AKA swiftcast.

To make matters worse, BOTH are also cross-classable. There's like no reason for Sure to exist outside pvp.