HW bard- channeling?

[RinchanNau]

All that oGCDS eating into GCD time. Unavoidable, but weird concept for me as a bard to accept xd

really doubt this will beat standard opener. I really don't think bards will open with minuet. Theres such a truck of damage with current bard opener....and that opener depends upon very quickly executed buffs between gcds, a dot clip with all buffs still up, barrage with all buffs up. We'd drastically reduce the amount of hits/sec making use of these buffs if we were to use minuet. I can see us turning minuet on after this has ended.

then again, still not enough infos =/

Kind of depends whether Barrage has a new effect when used with Wanderer's Minuet or not. Either way I'm looking forward to BRD becoming a lot more interesting.

[pandabearcat]

Never worth it to use oGCD on GCD, you lose half a gcd roughly every time you do that.

Minuet really needs to be a toggle.

I don't understand why they couldn't just make it like WoW's sniper training, in which you gain a buff (automatically) that buffs your damage by 10% when you stand still for 3 seconds. You lose it again 2 seconds after moving, so if you stutter, you can keep nigh 100% uptime. This seems like a good playstyle for bards rather than turn them into a caster.

Alternatively, again borrowing from WoW, you can have your fillers be a casted ability, which does more damage than an instacast, but you can seamlessly change between them as you go...this seems like a much better approach than the long song cast time and setup required, along with inability to use RoB procs or autoattack...just throws everything out of whack.

[Sessurea]

Never worth it to use oGCD on GCD, you lose half a gcd roughly every time you do that.

pretty sure it will always be worth using bloodletter even between these channelled GCDS, but what worries me is popping 2 oGCDS seems less of an option with minuet on. Really looking forward to testing this stuff out ^^

[RinchanNau]

Never worth it to use oGCD on GCD

I wouldn't say never. So you wait for a Fire 3 proc before using Raging Strikes every time even if it means using RS during your Umbral Ice phase?

[pandabearcat]

pretty sure it will always be worth using bloodletter even between these channelled GCDS, but what worries me is popping 2 oGCDS seems less of an option with minuet on. Really looking forward to testing this stuff out ^^

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but you can always delay Bloodletter to an oGCD slot without ever losing any procs, even if one procs as you go to do something else. It can wait.

I wouldn't say never. So you wait for a Fire 3 proc before using Raging Strikes every time even if it means using RS during your Umbral Ice phase?

We are in a bard thread are we not? This is a class with instants and not everything hardcasted, so really my statement doesn't apply. If you have the option of fitting an oGCD in, you should always take it. I guess this is pretty obvious.

I assume you are making the parallel between that and minuet channelling. In which case, I would say, this is one of the reasons I am wary of minuet channelling, mostly the cost of taking the time to cast the song cutting into whatever buffs you do.

EDIT: I hit my post cap =(

To respond below:

Nope.

Losing 1/2 a GCD due to a delay to line up buffs requires your lined up buff to make up over 350 potency (roughly) of damage in one gcd attack, baseline, even if all you delay is a filler, to make up for it.

EDIT 2:

Also, even if we go all in and say Minuet is a definite 25% increase to all damage (even disregarding losing AA), it will take you 12 seconds of standstill fighting, just to break even on damage. This is a HUGE RISK and zero reward.

[RinchanNau]

We are in a bard thread are we not? This is a class with instants and not everything hardcasted, so really my statement doesn't apply. If you have the option of fitting an oGCD in, you should always take it. I guess this is pretty obvious.

I assume you are making the parallel between that and minuet channelling. In which case, I would say, this is one of the reasons I am wary of minuet channelling, mostly the cost of taking the time to cast the song cutting into whatever buffs you do.

You said it was never worth it to use a oGCD on GCD. This has nothing to do with fitting an oGCD in off GCD. Currently you can fit two off GCDs between every GCD on BRD, of course. This means popping two buffs between every GCD for your opener as well as spamming Bloodletter between every GCD outside of your opener even if you're popping a buff, Blunt Arrow, Repelling Shot, Invigorate, etc. at the same time.

And I will say that even on BRD it can be worth delaying GCDs for your x-pot + Barrage in opener as well as for Misery's End if that's how things line up.

[repoe]

Perhaps this will void the dps loss of using ballad/TP song during certain fights, since it doesnt use mp if I recall correctly

[RiceisNice]

I wouldn't say never. So you wait for a Fire 3 proc before using Raging Strikes every time even if it means using RS during your Umbral Ice phase?

I've had more-than-enough times where my bloodletter either resets itself twice within a GCD, or resets itself after I use a bloodletter within a GCD. River procs work outside of your GCD with the two DoTs in mind from what I've seen (having two resets within 1 GCD on single target). If I can't use bloodletter while channeling another shot, it's a wasted proc right there.

Perhaps this will void the dps loss of using ballad/TP song during certain fights, since it doesnt use mp if I recall correctly

You're also losing auto attack, which makes for a good chunk of your damage. Unless the actions exclusive to Minuet make up for that loss, the 25% would struggle to break even after all things considered.

[RinchanNau]

I've had more-than-enough times where my bloodletter either resets itself twice within a GCD, or resets itself after I use a bloodletter within a GCD. River procs work outside of your GCD with the two DoTs in mind from what I've seen (having two resets within 1 GCD on single target). If I can't use bloodletter while channeling another shot, it's a wasted proc right there.

There simply isn't enough information to talk about Bloodletter procs while using Wanderer's Minuet. Perhaps Bloodletter functions differently or isn't used at all. Perhaps there is one GCD in Wanderer's Minuet that does not have a charge time. Perhaps you can build Bloodletter stacks with each proc and expend them all at the same time with some new ability. Probably not, but the point is we do not know. Just need to wait for more information.

[Arkenne]

Also, even if we go all in and say Minuet is a definite 25% increase to all damage (even disregarding losing AA), it will take you 12 seconds of standstill fighting, just to break even on damage. This is a HUGE RISK and zero reward.

This is what worried me the most about this skill "how much is the damage increase" and "how long will it take for it to catch up".
12 seconds just to catch up means its better to just use it at the beginning of the fight before the battle starts or right before the boss comes out of its immunity status. Otherwise, using it on the fly in AoE heavy battles will imply quite the major loss of DPS... so once you need to move and decast it, recasting it for the sake of DPSing might prove negative.