HW bard- channeling?

[pandabearcat]

dps is multiplicative, so in order to make up for losing 20% autoattack contribution, you need 25% increased damage.

To make up for 25% loss, you need to have 33% more damage.
To make up for 30% loss, you need to have 43% more damage.

But if you think about, say, minuet + its associated skills resulting in 43% more damage, then its kind of scary, because that means you can load up SO MUCH DAMAGE and there is no way in hell any tank is going to be able to keep up with this.

Also also: one further complication for minuet, if you use minuet, you run into the same problem BLMs have with firestarter procs - you won't see the straight shot proc until the next heavy. Not quite as much of a problem (since it has a much lower proc chance) but certainly an issue as well.

[Sleigh]

But if you think about, say, minuet + its associated skills resulting in 43% more damage, then its kind of scary, because that means you can load up SO MUCH DAMAGE and there is no way in hell any tank is going to be able to keep up with this.

I don't see this being an issue in any situation. On the pull you have Quelling, and on adds you generally do not have all your CDs available, nor AAs, so all they'd have to do is hold from Straight Shot + initial DoT ticks and they're set.

[Viridiana]

But if you think about, say, minuet + its associated skills resulting in 43% more damage, then its kind of scary, because that means you can load up SO MUCH DAMAGE and there is no way in hell any tank is going to be able to keep up with this.

BRD has quelling, and if there's a NIN in the party, they can transfer hate. Which, people keep saying that ability will be useless even though I can see so, so many uses for it.

[Behb]

Maybe one of the Minuet skill is instant cast so we can weave with it.
Would solve many issue with oGDC skills. Do we have any info on those skills?

[Sessurea]

Can't wait for these changes. And also a bit nervous.

Trying to imagine bard opener now....would we ever open in minuet? Fitting 2 oGCDS between gcds @ +0sksp was beautiful....so what now, buff, cast, buff, cast? Lose the stacked buffs on barrage + glorious dot clip?

Then it's also a concern, what was their working example when they changed this? was it a 490 dummy parse? ( the standard when I quit anyways... ) or was it something lower, say 450 with bis? I'm having a hard time seeing this work out to beat previous system, but logically it must ofc.

The skills will have to be stronk, simple as that.

[Dervy]

Depending on how long it takes to disable it... I can see something like this

Pre-Cast Minuet + RS + HS
Straight Shot
IR + BFB
VB + WB
Sidewinder
Empyrean Shot
Disable Minuet + Barrage.
Keep shotting until Barrage Ends
Cast Minuet
Iron Jaw to refresh DoTs
Straight Shot
Heavy Shot spam

That depends on the potencies of 60 skills however, and if Barrage doesn't change/traited. And yeah they will have to be really strong to completely out weight Barrage

[Sessurea]

Depending on how long it takes to disable it... I can see something like this

Pre-Cast Minuet + RS + HS
Straight Shot
IR + BFB
VB + WB
Sidewinder
Empyrean Shot
Disable Minuet + Barrage.
Keep shotting until Barrage Ends
Cast Minuet
Iron Jaw to refresh DoTs
Straight Shot
Heavy Shot spam

That depends on the potencies of 60 skills however, and if Barrage doesn't change/traited. And yeah they will have to be really strong to completely out weight Barrage

All that oGCDS eating into GCD time. Unavoidable, but weird concept for me as a bard to accept xd

really doubt this will beat standard opener. I really don't think bards will open with minuet. Theres such a truck of damage with current bard opener....and that opener depends upon very quickly executed buffs between gcds, a dot clip with all buffs still up, barrage with all buffs up. We'd drastically reduce the amount of hits/sec making use of these buffs if we were to use minuet. I can see us turning minuet on after this has ended.

then again, still not enough infos =/

[RinchanNau]

All that oGCDS eating into GCD time. Unavoidable, but weird concept for me as a bard to accept xd

really doubt this will beat standard opener. I really don't think bards will open with minuet. Theres such a truck of damage with current bard opener....and that opener depends upon very quickly executed buffs between gcds, a dot clip with all buffs still up, barrage with all buffs up. We'd drastically reduce the amount of hits/sec making use of these buffs if we were to use minuet. I can see us turning minuet on after this has ended.

then again, still not enough infos =/

Kind of depends whether Barrage has a new effect when used with Wanderer's Minuet or not. Either way I'm looking forward to BRD becoming a lot more interesting.

[pandabearcat]

Never worth it to use oGCD on GCD, you lose half a gcd roughly every time you do that.

Minuet really needs to be a toggle.

I don't understand why they couldn't just make it like WoW's sniper training, in which you gain a buff (automatically) that buffs your damage by 10% when you stand still for 3 seconds. You lose it again 2 seconds after moving, so if you stutter, you can keep nigh 100% uptime. This seems like a good playstyle for bards rather than turn them into a caster.

Alternatively, again borrowing from WoW, you can have your fillers be a casted ability, which does more damage than an instacast, but you can seamlessly change between them as you go...this seems like a much better approach than the long song cast time and setup required, along with inability to use RoB procs or autoattack...just throws everything out of whack.

[Sessurea]

Never worth it to use oGCD on GCD, you lose half a gcd roughly every time you do that.

pretty sure it will always be worth using bloodletter even between these channelled GCDS, but what worries me is popping 2 oGCDS seems less of an option with minuet on. Really looking forward to testing this stuff out ^^