Any new new in NIN's positional so?

[Adire]

Except NIN did have positionals originally.

They changed it to how it is now pretty quick, though for a while the tooltips reflected the Flanking/Rear requirement. And even the bizarre Sneak Attack from the front XD

I don't think that's correct. Please show me a link with proof that there were more positionals on NIN than sneak/trick attack. I did not start playing the job until after 2.5, so may not recall correctly.

There is no reason for a NIN to use sneak attack over trick attack either. Why it's frontal anyways though, who knows. A ninja shouldn't be attacking anywhere but from behind if being stealthy, much less from the front.

But while trick attack is positional, it in practice allows a NIN to not have to worry much about positioning, because the rear is the only place a NIN needs to focus on. So unless NINs had other positionals from the beginning, your point there is off.

[SDaemon]

I don't think that's correct. Please show me a link with proof that there were more positionals on NIN than sneak/trick attack. I did not start playing the job until after 2.5, so may not recall correctly.

There is no reason for a NIN to use sneak attack over trick attack either. Why it's frontal anyways though, who knows. A ninja shouldn't be attacking anywhere but from behind if being stealthy, much less from the front.

But while trick attack is positional, it in practice allows a NIN to not have to worry much about positioning, because the rear is the only place a NIN needs to focus on. So unless NINs had other positionals from the beginning, your point there is off.

It was a tooltip error where one of the skills read as having a flank positional for extra dmg. Wasn't true, though until I found this out I treated it like a positional without issue.

[Adire]

It was a tooltip error where one of the skills read as having a flank positional for extra dmg. Wasn't true, though until I found this out I treated it like a positional without issue.

Ah. Well the point still stands, it was SE's intent to not have positionals be present besides sneak/trick attack in NIN originally.

[Sylve]

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http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...18d0d45bf52d59

2.4 patch notes. Dancing Edge is started to have a Flanking requirement to get the full 260 Potency after Gust Slash.
If it was a simple mistranslation, That mistranslation managed to make its way into the game, as the ingame tooltip for the skill reflected that Flank requirement.
That was corrected in a later patch, Though Ninjas in general were executing it from Flank with the expectation that it increased the potency, Myself included.
We were told pretty quick that the potency is the same from all around and that a patch would fix the tooltip.

My point is, even when that phantom requirement (translation mistake or altered design notwithstanding) was there tricking a lot of us into Flanking for it, no one cared when they told we didn't need to Flank.
It didn't make any difference whatsoever.

[Pluvia]

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...18d0d45bf52d59

2.4 patch notes. Dancing Edge is started to have a Flanking requirement to get the full 260 Potency after Gust Slash.
If it was a simple mistranslation, That mistranslation managed to make its way into the game, as the ingame tooltip for the skill reflected that Flank requirement.
That was corrected in a later patch, Though Ninjas in general were executing it from Flank with the expectation that it increased the potency, Myself included.
We were told pretty quick that the potency is the same from all around and that a patch would fix the tooltip.

My point is, even when that phantom requirement (translation mistake or altered design notwithstanding) was there tricking a lot of us into Flanking for it, no one cared when they told we didn't need to Flank.
It didn't make any difference whatsoever.

To be fair that was probably because people within the first night figured out it didn't have any requirements and spread the news so a majority didn't have to even pretend like it did. Either way I would like to know what they're changing so i can get it down for the hell of it.

[Sylve]

To be fair that was probably because people within the first night figured out it didn't have any requirements and spread the news so a majority didn't have to even pretend like it did. Either way I would like to know what they're changing so i can get it down for the hell of it.

I'm going to be super amused if it ends up with Dancing Edge that gets a Flank requirement :3

[Pluvia]

I'm going to be super amused if it ends up with Dancing Edge that gets a Flank requirement :3

You and me both would be the trolliest thing SE could do. Honestly though we'll probably have it changed to be more like dragoons with mudras. Unless they drink the Kool aid and give them the same amount of positionals as monks.

[Sylve]

You and me both would be the trolliest thing SE could do. Honestly though we'll probably have it changed to be more like dragoons with mudras. Unless they drink the Kool aid and give them the same amount of positionals as monks.

I really do doubt that it'll more than 2 skills that get a positional.
3 at the most.

Dancing Edge is a good candidate. Though there really isn't all that many skills that make sense to add a positional too, but lets not forget that we're getting brand new weapon skills, which may be where the positionals get slapped onto.

[Nalien]

I'm going to be super amused if it ends up with Dancing Edge that gets a Flank requirement :3

Not as amused as I'll be when all they do is add a new Hide skill (Surprise Attack?) with a Flank requirement, one which no doubt will be as amazing as Sneak Attack.

Although looking at what they're doing to other Jobs, a new X Attack could be an amazing addition. Work it like Black Mages Enochian perhaps... Keeps Sution up and removes the cooldown for X Attacks. Then we have a new rotation in which we pop the new Flank Attack > Trick Attack > Sneak Attack > repeat, before the effect wears off... That would be the best way to implement positional requirements on Ninja. Would be nice if Sneak Attack wasn't so damned worthless...

Holy crap I kinda really want that now... A new passive buff which removes the cooldown on Sneak/Trick/Flank Attack. Flank Attack keeps Sution up for multiple attacks. Sution > Flank Attack > Trick Attack > Sneak Attack > Shukuchi back behind the mob.

[Adire]

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Well, I imagine the design choice to exclude positionals was made in part because of the view that the job was challenging enough to play to justify its DPS.

The intent was there to make it a non-positional oriented job from the start, and while there were of course people who played the job using positionals believing them to actually be implemented(and probably played it well), it was unnecessary.

Plus, back at that time, the job was new and for all people knew, it was the intended difficulty. Now we know better. And now we know that NIN is a job with a very definitive playstyle. I, along with a lot of people I would assume, choose to main it because we like the type of difficulty it has vs the type MNK and early DRG had.

I've said on other threads, there are many ways they can make NIN more difficult to play without adding positionals that appeal to MNK mains. They can add difficulty to appeal to the type of person who mains NIN, and that would be better in my opinion.