RIP Bard

[Yuri_Hyuga]

The special thing about Bard is their freedom to be mobile (IMO)... this kills that, just like how positional's being added to Ninja detract from the spirit of their design.

This ability needs to be shifted to Machinist instead, tweaked slightly to fit them appropriately, & renamed "Deployment" or "Snipe."

People saying it won't be a requirement... to play the class effectively, it will be.

You will be burnt to the stake if you avoid using it just like how players will ostracize you for not singing.

It will further create a very unhealthy, social environment--much worse than we have now.

You will get flamed in-game very harshly for neglecting to utilize this ability, it's certain to happen.

[RiceisNice]

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Honestly, I was under the impression that the "stand-still for effective dps" thing was going to be a machnist gimmick, at least that was my impression in one of the liveletter presentation. Not that I have a problem with bards getting it, but some people play bard for the free-mobility dps. If it ends up being mandatory for them to pull reasonable dps, then they might as well switch to machinist or they're SoL if machinist can't do that effectively either.

It's on the same line as the BLM not using enochain for their IV spells, or warriors/SMNs not being able to effectively manage their deliverance during OT/dreadwyrm trance.

[Gilraen]

The special thing about Bard is their freedom to be mobile...

You and I have very different ideas on what is special about Bard. What is special about archer is being a highly mobile DD. What is special about Bard is persistent AoE support in the form of songs. Yes, Bard is still an archer, but it's focus stops being strictly about dealing damage. "Noone asked for this." though is what's in dispute, and is wholly wrong. We've been asking for this for a long time, just not in this particular form. People have been wanting a Ranger Job for too long, but seems that the experiment of two Jobs per class (Summoner/Scholar to arcanist) didn't get the reception Square was hoping for. So instead they gave Bard some Ranger potential via a new song. It's going to be up to Bards in seeing how well the idea will work. I'm excited for it.

[RiceisNice]

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Ranger in concept would've been nice as a stationary phyiscal ranged dps, with channeled time on shots and such. Though I mean honestly at this point, the job/class thing gets so interchanged that you might as well consider the two the same, exception of being SMN/SCH (which comes with their own problems).

When you only have one class to play with though, it's going to set the playstyle into stone, and changing it would have unpredictible reactions from the players. You can't break archer from bard, or at least it's not feasible because of lack of cross skills and the DEX lost. To me, Bard = Archer as far as describing playstyles is concerned, but that's semantics.

I really do no see wanderer's minuet being an "optional" sort of thing though. Feels like soemthing you'd have to get a hang of in order to pull respectable numbers as a bard. Otherwise, you won't be able to keep up with other classes that get new abilities that add onto their existing style.

[Omegakiyohime]

Should probably let this die, but I wonder what new effect Barrage may have while under Minuet. They said you won't be able to auto attack, but they also used Barrage in the video so my guess is that it becomes a buff of some sort while under Minuet or that it get's expended for the use of a powerful skill.

[Hyperia]

I think that this is an attempt at making skill speed more valuable. The more speed you have, the faster you will cast. I am farming skill speed gear in addition to my bis in coil to get ready for it.

[Fantasy9]

So, they are bringing back the rooting from 1.23? The rooting is what caused BRD to be shunned in 1.23. Another thing, when will this be viable in ARR? I mean ARR is nothing but an AoE fest so forcing us to root ourselves is suicide. NINs assassinate and DRGs jump are in the same boat. Use them at the wrong time and you are dead.

[RiceisNice]

I think that this is an attempt at making skill speed more valuable. The more speed you have, the faster you will cast. I am farming skill speed gear in addition to my bis in coil to get ready for it.

Speed is only really "useful" for blms because of their unlimited resources. In the end, you're still chewing through TP faster and hit rock rock bottom on TP sooner. Unless the changes to skill/spell speed addresses that.

[Fantasy9]

This time last year

Not me and I have mained BRD since 1.23. I was practically forced to level something else because the rooting caused almost everyone to hate BRDs

[Elazu]

The special thing about Bard is their freedom to be mobile (IMO)... this kills that, just like how positional's being added to Ninja detract from the spirit of their design.

Nope.

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