The Ninja Superthread

[Viridiana]

I guess if your tank is bad in a pug it will be useful but i have never I mean never pulled off a good tank on pull with my opener.

You keep going on like there are zero situations where this can be a useful skill. I can think of a number of situations where I could use it, even if there are other things you could do to work nearly as well.

Add spawn that the tank needs snap aggro on? You could rely on just RoH, y'know, if they have it pre-queued for the combo. And if they get to the add before you do. And if their weapon isn't 15-20 ilvls below yours.

One enemy out of a group sitting on the healer instead of on the tank? Good thing you can help convince it to change targets.

Better yet, how about an add that the DPS are expected to pick up and tank? Rather than holding back for a second so that someone can establish aggro (or going all out to get it yourself), you can help solidify their lead and not have the mob playing ping-pong through the DPS (and/or healers).

Or any time there's a tank swap. Rather than having the outgoing tank stand around and try not to retake aggro, you could use this ability to solidify the incoming tank's lead. Or did the WAR use BB right after the PLD did Provoke+RoH? That's okay, because RoH+AE > BB.

Basically, any time you find yourself saying that you should give the other person even 1 second to get aggro, you could be using this utility.

[Pluvia]

You keep going on like there are zero situations where this can be a useful skill. I can think of a number of situations where I could use it, even if there are other things you could do to work nearly as well.

Add spawn that the tank needs snap aggro on? You could rely on just RoH, y'know, if they have it pre-queued for the combo. And if they get to the add before you do. And if their weapon isn't 15-20 ilvls below yours.

One enemy out of a group sitting on the healer instead of on the tank? Good thing you can help convince it to change targets.

Better yet, how about an add that the DPS are expected to pick up and tank? Rather than holding back for a second so that someone can establish aggro (or going all out to get it yourself), you can help solidify their lead and not have the mob playing ping-pong through the DPS (and/or healers).

Or any time there's a tank swap. Rather than having the outgoing tank stand around and try not to retake aggro, you could use this ability to solidify the incoming tank's lead. Or did the WAR use BB right after the PLD did Provoke+RoH? That's okay, because RoH+AE > BB.

Basically, any time you find yourself saying that you should give the other person even 1 second to get aggro, you could be using this utility.

I'm sorry you're correct not totally useless just a higher level of goads uselessness.

[Viridiana]

I'm sorry you're correct not totally useless just a higher level of goads uselessness.

If you think Goad is useless I'm done trying to reason with you. >_>

[Pluvia]

If you think Goad is useless I'm done trying to reason with you. >_>

Never said goad was completely useless its just 1/4 as effective now as it was on release and may become less effective depending how things turn out with monks

[Odowla]

Never said goad was completely useless its just 1/4 as effective now as it was on release and may become less effective depending how things turn out with monks

How is it 1/4 less effective. There's still a bard, still a monk, If you're saying its less useful because you're running out of TP too then, I mean, the amount of damage ninjas were doing for their TP drain was a bit completetly insane.

[Pluvia]

How is it 1/4 less effective. There's still a bard, still a monk, If you're saying its less useful because you're running out of TP too then, I mean, the amount of damage ninjas were doing for their TP drain was a bit completetly insane.

which is fine I understand why they increased the tp cost it. Hopefully in HW they make ninja have close to the same amount of positional as monk/drg i can deal with less of BUFF FIST OF WINDS NINJAS ARE OP WITH MOVEMENT SPEED BUFF threads we seem to get

Let me set these points straight

1. Monks without a doubt with the way things are right now Should be ahead of ninja but they are not so it should be fixed.
2. Feels like SE is being lazy with how they're changing ninja is all i'm saying.
3. I don't care if they add positionals i play all the melee it won't bother me.
4. Fix mudra lag or change how mudras work so lag has less of an effect on it.
5. Give dragoons some utility
6. Their reasoning for giving the aggro ability is a stupid reason no Ninja with a good tank will ever pull off them in an opener.
7. i don't have a hard on for a specific class that prevents me from seeing the fact that ninja out damaging monk right now makes zero sense. But trying to use dummies to prove it just makes no sense.
8. Want to know what class I main in Coil its bard. But in pugs i play mostly Monk with some Ninja

[Atreides]

Ninja outdpsing Monk stuff.

I have yet to see a single Ninja outdpsing monks on a EU server.
Maybe they can pull ahead in NA/JP servers because of better latency but I can easily pull higher numbers on my monk with eyes closed with lesser gear than on my Ninja with my 140 ping.
Yes, Mudra lag is just that bad, some people don't even know what Mudra lag really is when I see them streaming and complaining about lag.
Some people have it even worse, i.e. Australians on EU or Na servers, they are better off on the JP servers.
In my opinion monks don't deserve the damage they have because they are piss easy to play, seeing how they bring position to Ninja too I rather play a class that is "concidered" hard to play while in fact it's a breeze while pulling high numbers until we get our EU servers.