Please do not make group quest open world areas.

[NovaWulfe]

It's almost like there's hundreds of thousands of people, all with differing opinions, choosing not to voice them on this forum until they're unhappy with something. Come, let us be boggled by this ludicrous possibility together.

As if it means anything, I was the one who liked this post. I fully understand this, but since everybody on the internet has the right to complain about everything, then this is me exercising my right to complain about their complaining. I fully understand that you can never please anyone, but the seemingly constant negativity is why I usually stay away from forums *see post count*, it just gets to you after a while.

Well, you see, FFXIV 1.0 was ass, and Square Enix got the picture the first time people trashed their game. They then went into the mountains and returned with ARR, the saviour of their stocks and renewer of faith. The typical crybabies still moan, but this game has been nothing but complete success for fans, reviewers and newcomers alike.

...People have been trashing Sonic the Hedgehog for like a decade, and no matter how many times they get slayed by reviewers, they refuse to make a Sonic game that isn't trash.

I get where you were going, but comparing any franchise to Sonic the Hedgehog at this point is like comparing it to a landfill.

The point I was trying to make is that the sonic fanbase cannot decide on what makes a sonic game good. Is it just going really fast? They started making the "boost" games, like colors which lacked the awful Werehog nonsense, and people still complained. Sure, most new sonic games are trash, but what I was getting at is that the community sends mixed messages on what they want improved. Probably not the best comparison, but whatever.

[Edellis]

The point I was trying to make is that the sonic fanbase cannot decide on what makes a sonic game good. Is it just going really fast? They started making the "boost" games, like colors which lacked the awful Werehog nonsense, and people still complained. Sure, most new sonic games are trash, but what I was getting at is that the community sends mixed messages on what they want improved. Probably not the best comparison, but whatever.

Ah. Well, just in response to that? The reason Sonic the Hedgehog games can't find a good formula is because the developers themselves simply don't know how to make good games anymore. The sonic community can tell the developers what they want forever, but Sonic Team no longer has the talent to use their own intuition, which is why all their games play like a jumbled mess of shallow concepts. It has nothing to do with "modern" or "classic" in sonic's case, Mario has altered it's formula tons of times and achieved overall success. Sega just can't design solid games anymore.


As for Square? They clearly take input, but have their own professional intuition as developers to know when to listen and when to make the other call. Some people agree, some disagree, but in the end it has worked out very well for this game. Black Mage is a good example of this, Summoner is an extreme example, and in heavensward hopefully it'll be a good one.

The only thing I can think of is the raid boss birds in Plane of Fire from Everquest. They often would charm the high level that comes to help people out. The charmed high level proceeds to steamroll all the lowbies.

Oh my god. That is hilarious.

Oooh, yes, more challenging leves should be a thing. Combine the idea with the underutilized guildhest mission structure, but set it in the open world. THAT would be the type of content that builds community and gets people working together, not trash mobs.

I know, right? In fact when they announced Hunts, i was fully expecting it to function like this. Instead....well, we got what people were asking for. And it's not very fun.

[NovaWulfe]

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Well said, I can actually fully agree with you there.