Please do not make group quest open world areas.

[NovaWulfe]

This forum never ceases to amaze me...

Yoshi! We want more fights with actual mechanics! Enough of this Tank and Spank!
*Steps of Faith*
Yoshi! People can't learn mechanics! Please nerf, we want tank and spank!

Yoshi! the open world is so boring! Give us a reason to actually explore with our friends, give us a sense of danger!
"You may need to tread carefully... You may need to group up and actually talk to people..."
Yoshi! I play games to relax and only have ten minutes to play, ain't nobody got time for grouping up in an MMO! Please nerf before it's even out, and before we even know how challenging the mobs will be! Nerf the everything!

It's just like the Sonic the Hedgehog fanbase, no matter what they do with the games at this point, people will always complain.

[Gunspec]

It's just like the Sonic the Hedgehog fanbase...

Whoa whoa whoa... watch where you are pointing those accusations. I just checked google, and there are no "Thancred the Hedgehog" drawings yet. So I say we are at least a few steps above THAT crowd.

On the other hand, "Lilith the Hedgehog" seems quite popular. Hmm...

[NovaWulfe]

Whoa whoa whoa... watch where you are pointing those accusations. I just checked google, and there are no "Thancred the Hedgehog" drawings yet. So I say we are at least a few steps above THAT crowd.

On the other hand, "Lilith the Hedgehog" seems quite popular. Hmm...

Ugh, thanks for letting me know that's a thing. Here I was letting my childhood die in peace, and now you make me look up images of bad fanart... Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

[Gyson]

This forum never ceases to amaze me...

Yoshi! We want more fights with actual mechanics! Enough of this Tank and Spank!
*Steps of Faith*
Yoshi! People can't learn mechanics! Please nerf, we want tank and spank!

Yoshi! the open world is so boring! Give us a reason to actually explore with our friends, give us a sense of danger!
"You may need to tread carefully... You may need to group up and actually talk to people..."
Yoshi! I play games to relax and only have ten minutes to play, ain't nobody got time for grouping up in an MMO! Please nerf before it's even out, and before we even know how challenging the mobs will be! Nerf the everything!

It's just like the Sonic the Hedgehog fanbase, no matter what they do with the games at this point, people will always complain.

It's almost like there's hundreds of thousands of people, all with differing opinions, choosing not to voice them on this forum until they're unhappy with something. Come, let us be boggled by this ludicrous possibility together.

[NovaWulfe]

It's almost like there's hundreds of thousands of people, all with differing opinions, choosing not to voice them on this forum until they're unhappy with something. Come, let us be boggled by this ludicrous possibility together.

As if it means anything, I was the one who liked this post. I fully understand this, but since everybody on the internet has the right to complain about everything, then this is me exercising my right to complain about their complaining. I fully understand that you can never please anyone, but the seemingly constant negativity is why I usually stay away from forums *see post count*, it just gets to you after a while.

Well, you see, FFXIV 1.0 was ass, and Square Enix got the picture the first time people trashed their game. They then went into the mountains and returned with ARR, the saviour of their stocks and renewer of faith. The typical crybabies still moan, but this game has been nothing but complete success for fans, reviewers and newcomers alike.

...People have been trashing Sonic the Hedgehog for like a decade, and no matter how many times they get slayed by reviewers, they refuse to make a Sonic game that isn't trash.

I get where you were going, but comparing any franchise to Sonic the Hedgehog at this point is like comparing it to a landfill.

The point I was trying to make is that the sonic fanbase cannot decide on what makes a sonic game good. Is it just going really fast? They started making the "boost" games, like colors which lacked the awful Werehog nonsense, and people still complained. Sure, most new sonic games are trash, but what I was getting at is that the community sends mixed messages on what they want improved. Probably not the best comparison, but whatever.

[Edellis]

The point I was trying to make is that the sonic fanbase cannot decide on what makes a sonic game good. Is it just going really fast? They started making the "boost" games, like colors which lacked the awful Werehog nonsense, and people still complained. Sure, most new sonic games are trash, but what I was getting at is that the community sends mixed messages on what they want improved. Probably not the best comparison, but whatever.

Ah. Well, just in response to that? The reason Sonic the Hedgehog games can't find a good formula is because the developers themselves simply don't know how to make good games anymore. The sonic community can tell the developers what they want forever, but Sonic Team no longer has the talent to use their own intuition, which is why all their games play like a jumbled mess of shallow concepts. It has nothing to do with "modern" or "classic" in sonic's case, Mario has altered it's formula tons of times and achieved overall success. Sega just can't design solid games anymore.


As for Square? They clearly take input, but have their own professional intuition as developers to know when to listen and when to make the other call. Some people agree, some disagree, but in the end it has worked out very well for this game. Black Mage is a good example of this, Summoner is an extreme example, and in heavensward hopefully it'll be a good one.

The only thing I can think of is the raid boss birds in Plane of Fire from Everquest. They often would charm the high level that comes to help people out. The charmed high level proceeds to steamroll all the lowbies.

Oh my god. That is hilarious.

Oooh, yes, more challenging leves should be a thing. Combine the idea with the underutilized guildhest mission structure, but set it in the open world. THAT would be the type of content that builds community and gets people working together, not trash mobs.

I know, right? In fact when they announced Hunts, i was fully expecting it to function like this. Instead....well, we got what people were asking for. And it's not very fun.

[NovaWulfe]

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Well said, I can actually fully agree with you there.

[Cirgellon]

This forum never ceases to amaze me...

Yoshi! We want more fights with actual mechanics! Enough of this Tank and Spank!
*Steps of Faith*
Yoshi! People can't learn mechanics! Please nerf, we want tank and spank!

Yoshi! the open world is so boring! Give us a reason to actually explore with our friends, give us a sense of danger!
"You may need to tread carefully... You may need to group up and actually talk to people..."
Yoshi! I play games to relax and only have ten minutes to play, ain't nobody got time for grouping up in an MMO! Please nerf before it's even out, and before we even know how challenging the mobs will be! Nerf the everything!

It's just like the Sonic the Hedgehog fanbase, no matter what they do with the games at this point, people will always complain.

Another person who hasn't figured out that the community consists of more than one person.

[Edellis]

It's just like the Sonic the Hedgehog fanbase, no matter what they do with the games at this point, people will always complain.

Well, you see, FFXIV 1.0 was ass, and Square Enix got the picture the first time people trashed their game. They then went into the mountains and returned with ARR, the saviour of their stocks and renewer of faith. The typical crybabies still moan, but this game has been nothing but complete success for fans, reviewers and newcomers alike.

...People have been trashing Sonic the Hedgehog for like a decade, and no matter how many times they get slayed by reviewers, they refuse to make a Sonic game that isn't trash.

I get where you were going, but comparing any franchise to Sonic the Hedgehog at this point is like comparing it to a landfill.

[Felis]

Well, you see, FFXIV 1.0 was ass, and Square Enix got the picture the first time people trashed their game. They then went into the mountains and returned with ARR, the saviour of their stocks and renewer of faith. The typical crybabies still moan, but this game has been nothing but complete success for fans, reviewers and newcomers alike.

Yes, but we only complained about enemies 10-30 levels over the level cap, not about the enemies 1-5 levels over the level cap. People who did leves at lv 47 already choosed a leve difficulty that gave them enemies around lv 52 for the good exp.
In ARR i was shocked that the only lv 50 enemies in the open world are water spirits in only 1 place, while in the strongholds the highest enemy level is only 49.
Then you want to level up your Chocobo with a lv 50 job and you wish that there are at least some lv 53 enemies somewhere to give your chocobo good exp (this was before the weekly challenge log).