RIP WHM/SCH

[Brightshadow]

In the same way WHM might be "stealing Scholar's tricks" by being able to do more DPS than it used to. Again, they are clearly streamlining healers.



That would still make WHM mandatory in progression raids.

Not really because each healer would bring something different to the raid.
1.) White Mage: Enhanced Protect & Shell
2.) Scholar: Selene
3.) Astrologian: Many Different Enhancements.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Not really because each healer would bring something different to the raid.
1.) White Mage: Enhanced Protect & Shell
2.) Scholar: Selene
3.) Astrologian: Many Different Enhancements.

How is Selene different since Astro will be able to use Haste with cards (among other buffs)?
Also, technically, an "Enhanced Protect" would be a perma-shield under another name. If you are taking 90 damage with a WHM protect and 100 damage with a SCH protect, it means that at the end of fight the WHM would have effectively shielded more damage than the SCH, most likely.

[Brightshadow]

We don't know how haste will work, for all we know it could just be auto attack haste.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

We don't know how haste will work, for all we know it could just be auto attack haste.

Hardly. BLMs are getting Haste as well, I doubt it is for their auto attacks.

[desufin]

I don't get why people think SCH and WHM wont have their unique things still just because SCH are getting more healing tools in the areas they were lacking (especially when paired with another SCH). WHM are getting more DPS tools (and hopefully much better MP management to go with it), more HoT's and optional heals besides Benediction that seemingly will work in Cleric Stance. I didn't hear anything about shields being given to them, just better healing options where they were lacking (while dps'in mainly).

Despite getting some more info and some visuals on AST abilities, actual concrete information is still incredibly lacking and their card buffs are somewhat RNG tied with no info on exactly how long cd the card draw ability has and how long the buffs lasts.
Also changing stance was supposed to not come cheap so it might have a hefty mp cost or a long cd or simply not work in combat, we don't know. Their heals even in Barrier stance or healing stance might not completely mirror SCH/WHM equally and even have their own effects (keep in mind that one of the major WHM traits is insanely MP efficient healing in low mp costs for high potency and Freecure).

They might be evening out some areas which may or may not benefit one healer more than the other (if we just jumped to exaggerated conclusions as is now, WHM is looking really good) but I do wish that they were more consistent. Traited Virus is just as important as traited Protect if not even more important yet it wasn't mentioned being freely given out.

[Kabzy]

I don't get why people think SCH and WHM wont have their unique things

From a Scholar's perspective, I can think of the following reasons. What currently makes us unique? Our ability to shield, something that AST can do now, and our ability to DPS, which is something WHM is being equipped to do now with more DPS abilities plus low potency instant cures (Lustrate anyone?). And of course a White Mage is great at healing the entire raid, which AST can do, and now SCH can also do via Emergency Tactics.

This is all speculation, but to an extent I do agree we will keep some uniqueness in the form of SCH fairies, WHM HoTs and AST card buffs; however it does seem like SE is taking the safe route by making them all similar. This is a great move to keep things balanced between the 3 jobs, but it does feel a little underwhelming when other roles are getting such fun changes. And personally I was actually disappointed to see SCH getting more potent AoE heals, that's not our game and I would have much rather preferred more mitigation or pet abilities.

Traited Virus is just as important as traited Protect if not even more important yet it wasn't mentioned being freely given out.

From a healers perspective I would disagree with it being more important. Its an Arcanist ability, so if anything it should be shared amongst SMN and BLM. Protect being shared makes sense because if it wasn't it puts more strain on parties wanting to go AST/SCH, and so WHM would almost be a necessity for every group. Supervirus is actually one of the things that again makes SCH unique to WHM at the moment, so sharing it out would be rather counter-productive to your argument.

[Nihility]

i don't see them taking over in any way other than newness factor

by the notes they've been putting up about scholar so far

a big aoe heal to compliment succor
an ability to transform adloquiem from a 300potency heal and 300/600 potency shield to a 600/900 potency heal which
the ability to basically bane adloquiem and eye for an eye to the whole party
and a sac the fairy to boost your own output

they are going to be able to go into a beastly WHM mode if they want

and it looks like WHM is getting augmented to be a power healer/damage dealer at the same time hybrid too

[Knoahl]

I just think they are giving us more options if anything, we already have a solid base toolkit, they are just giving us new spells which arent mandatory but helpful. Especially for going above and beyond our role! ^^ SCH DoTs with faerie sacrifice is going to be crazy, so excited with WHM healing while damaging and SCH giving strong barriers out, or WHM abusing divine veil just sounds so amazing.

to arms healers! We have DPS to carry!! XD

[Kabzy]

I just think they are giving us more options if anything, we already have a solid base toolkit, they are just giving us new spells which arent mandatory but helpful.

I think that's kind of the whole point that's being made here. When every job has a lot of options, it becomes a lot harder for differentiation to occur because they can pretty much do all the same things. Subsequently the healer jobs become more boring because switching from one to the other won't offer much of a change in play-style.

(Of course keeping in mind this is just speculation from the Live Letter info. We still have a lot to find out yet.)

[ErzaScarlet77]

im just happy we get a healing class that isnt pet based or is super boring like whm