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Thread: RIP WHM/SCH

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    I don't really understand the scholar moves. Ok?

    I won't sacrifice my pet, unless its a full heal to everyone and I don't think it will be.
    I won't use the adlo buff much because I barely use adlo anyways. WHMs are much better with Cure II. I would rather just switch to WHM.

    A heal stance? I hope not. I already have to dance my stances with the DPS stance, now I have to switch stances and go to a healing stance to heal? The hardest healing class has it even harder.

    It would of been MUCH better if it was for Succor and not Adlo, that would of been an amazing buff.
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    I'm sorry, no one ever mentioned scholar was getting a new heal stance. Where are you getting that from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    I'm sorry, no one ever mentioned scholar was getting a new heal stance. Where are you getting that from?
    Must of been my misunderstanding then. Sorry, that is good. =P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall View Post
    Adlo per se is already worse than Cure II in terms of raw potency. However, the shield part of Adlo pretty much guarantees zero overhealing. This new skill will just convert the shield part to healing, nothing more. I fail to see how this would be useful in ANY situation. Shield IS basically a heal, with the difference that it cannot overheal.
    I even gave you a situation where it's good. Adlo is nice for preventive damage but it's absolutely awful for actual recovery after a big hit or in chain of big hits. SCH always resort to Physick and Lustrate in those situations, making Adlo able to heal for more at the cost of losing its shield makes them able to weave that in occasionally instead of having to use Aetherflow charges on Lustrate. It makes very much sense and will be incredibly useful for progression.

    They even pointed out that the SCH changes and new abilities isn't going to help them all that much in light party content and mostly only in endgame 8man content, this Adlo option is one of those things.
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    You might have been thinking of astrologian. They are getting a healing stance and a barrier stance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by desufin View Post
    I even gave you a situation where it's good. Adlo is nice for preventive damage but it's absolutely awful for actual recovery after a big hit or in chain of big hits. SCH always resort to Physick and Lustrate in those situations, making Adlo able to heal for more at the cost of losing its shield makes them able to weave that in occasionally instead of having to use Aetherflow charges on Lustrate. It makes very much sense and will be incredibly useful for progression.

    They even pointed out that the SCH changes and new abilities isn't going to help them all that much in light party content and mostly only in endgame 8man content, this Adlo option is one of those things.
    Yeah, but why not just have a WHM do that instead? What will happen is they will use their big heal when you use yours and nothing will happen (due to overheal). A scholar is better at sustained healing, not big heals and regens. With WHMs having 2 regens now they will probably be a lot better.

    Turning Adlo into a HUGE shield, I could see that and would LOVE that. But a big heal? Why? Just play WHM.
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    Last edited by Nektulos-Tuor; 05-22-2015 at 06:47 AM.

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    WHMs OP. Who needs a SCH or AST when WHMs can power heal through all progression? lol #joking...sortof

    I don't think AST sounds OP... the RNG to the class isn't very... appealing to me. I'll have to try it out to really judge the class, of course. I'm hoping there's never going to be a point where the AST's RNG-ness causes a wipe because of x, y and z.
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    Quote Originally Posted by desufin View Post
    I even gave you a situation where it's good. Adlo is nice for preventive damage but it's absolutely awful for actual recovery after a big hit or in chain of big hits. SCH always resort to Physick and Lustrate in those situations, making Adlo able to heal for more at the cost of losing its shield makes them able to weave that in occasionally instead of having to use Aetherflow charges on Lustrate. It makes very much sense and will be incredibly useful for progression.

    They even pointed out that the SCH changes and new abilities isn't going to help them all that much in light party content and mostly only in endgame 8man content, this Adlo option is one of those things.
    I still don't see the point, sorry. "Healing up" or "Shielding up" is basically the same thing. More shield means more HP - it is LITERALLY the same thing as healing more, with the advantage that you can safely overheal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall View Post
    I still don't see the point, sorry. "Healing up" or "Shielding up" is basically the same thing. More shield means more HP - it is LITERALLY the same thing as healing more, with the advantage that you can safely overheal with it.
    More Max HP is amazing, the reason it is useful is because Scholar and White Mage using a big heal at the same time, which they will means that nothing will happen because they overhealed too much. Meanwhile the scholar could of been keeping up its better sustained healing.

    People GREATLY underestimate how awesome max HP is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    More Max HP is amazing, the reason it is useful is because Scholar and White Mage using a big heal at the same time, which they will means that nothing will happen because they overhealed too much. Meanwhile the scholar could of been keeping up its better sustained healing.

    People GREATLY underestimate how awesome max HP is.
    Dude, I agree with you. Not sure why you are quoting me :P
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