RIP Bard

[Jarinolde]

The ability is still extremely situational and until we know everything about it we can't actually know if it would even be viable to use as a Bard.

Are you really so daft as to think a brand new ability that is supposed to increase your damage output is not viable, just because it comes with caveats?

[The_Last_Dragoon]

Are you really so daft as to think a brand new ability that is supposed to increase your damage output is not viable, just because it comes with caveats?

Wait, so under that logic do you think the MP & TP songs aren't viable because they lower your damage?

Besides, like I said before, the song requires a 2.5 second cast and then proceeds to give your core attacks casting times as well as stop your auto-attack. It was pointed out before that during the video, the Bard put up Barrage, which should be useless under the effects of the new song, but we don't know if Barrage can affect the damage output anyway. We don't know how much the damage buff is going to be, so it stands to reason that we don't know whether or not the loss of potential damage is outweighed by the damage buff. Hence, we have to wait before we can say whether or not it is a viable thing.

[Jarinolde]

Wait, so under that logic do you think the MP & TP songs aren't viable because they lower your damage?

No, that's your logic. Minuet increases your damage at the cost of your movement and auto-attacks. Ballad and Paeon decreases your damage at the benefit of restoring MP and TP. Do you see how this works now? You don't just get a huge damage buff for little or no cost. Most of the time it comes with a long cooldown, but this is a song so these are the requirements if you want this damage boost. It's the same thing with BLM's new Ley Lines ability.

If you're really unsure about it's potential, then I encourage you and others to do as you say further down your post, and wait and see. But by no means will this be relegated off to the side along side BRD's other oft unused abilities like Shadowbind or Swiftsong. Every single new ability is supposed to change up each job in big ways.

[m3eansean]

I like how some people are already assuming that Minuet will be useless and "not viable".

I highly doubt the dev's would release a brand new over-hyped ability only to have it thrown in the trashbin along with the old tri-disaster.

We'll see though.

[Lemuria]

I highly doubt the dev's would release a brand new over-hyped ability only to have it thrown in the trashbin along with the old tri-disaster.

To be fair, the arguments are pretty solid. There would need to be a very significant bonus to damage to make up for everything you're losing to get it. Lest we forget that these are the same devs that removed Thunder from cross-classing and then heavily nerfed Blizzard II. So it's not like every change they make is for the better.

I'll hold off on condemnation until I see some DPS results, but given the heavy restrictions placed upon it I can't imagine it getting much use.

[m3eansean]

To be fair, the arguments are pretty solid. There would need to be a very significant bonus to damage to make up for everything you're losing to get it. Lest we forget that these are the same devs that removed Thunder from cross-classing and then heavily nerfed Blizzard II. So it's not like every change they make is for the better.

I'll hold off on condemnation until I see some DPS results, but given the heavy restrictions placed upon it I can't imagine it getting much use.

"While under the effect of the Wanderer’s Minuet, you’ll be able to deal high amounts of damage by charging up you bow" The heavy restrictions are there for a reason, Bard will become a powerhouse most likely when using Minuet. They have to make the penalty for moving so severe, so you don't steam roll everything. To me it seems like the "Ley lines" from BLM modified a bit honestly. I'm confident Minuet will be required for Bard in any good group going forward.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

If you're really unsure about it's potential, then I encourage you and others to do as you say further down your post, and wait and see. But by no means will this be relegated off to the side along side BRD's other oft unused abilities like Shadowbind or Swiftsong. Every single new ability is supposed to change up each job in big ways.

Besides, like I said before, the song requires a 2.5 second cast and then proceeds to give your core attacks casting times as well as stop your auto-attack. It was pointed out before that during the video, the Bard put up Barrage, which should be useless under the effects of the new song, but we don't know if Barrage can affect the damage output anyway. We don't know how much the damage buff is going to be, so it stands to reason that we don't know whether or not the loss of potential damage is outweighed by the damage buff. Hence, we have to wait before we can say whether or not it is a viable thing.

I already said that...

More than likely it will either be used in single target nuke scenarios or as a way to beef up AoE.

[Jarinolde]

I already said that...

More than likely it will either be used in single target nuke scenarios or as a way to beef up AoE.

*facepalm* you didn't even read it did you...

do as you say further down your post

Yes, I was indeed referencing what you said.