SE plz nerf zodiac quest ....

[Ashkendor]

The fact that you go out of your way to disinclude the people who gave up tells me there is plenty wrong with RNG based systems. What you're not understanding is that people giving up = it is a bad system. People gave up on ATMA Because it was bad. people give up on Zodiac because it's bad.

Ever notice how people don't complain about alexandrite, books, and light? It's because it's measurable progression they can tackle over time, even though the nexus light can potentially take longer than zeta!

People giving up tells me there is plenty wrong.

No. I didn't notice that at all, because they most definitely did. They actually still do.

People give up at all stages of the relic quest, not just Atma/Zodiac.

I'm on my fourth one, and honestly the Nexus grind is still the worst to me.

to compare crafting rng to this? no comparasion.. crafting RNG can often be on ur side than not, i have done so many stuff hq with 24% hq chance, as well as getting tons of trick of the trade to the point its over kill. i have done 3 lucids , and stoped cause i got boared , as well as all 4 stars. crafting is so easy compared to the RNG of zodiac, it's true hell ....

I've had HQ at 1% and NQ at 98%. RNG is RNG no matter what you apply it to.

i am done for today , my 21 runs or lost city amdapor are all without items....

i still remember this guy i met who , got it today, in 1 attempt, and he said he is moving on to his last item now.

why does it have to be so unfair? why SE!!

and others are seemly happy they done theirs and happpy about this RNG because they got some sort of uniqe weapon, that the others are blocked from getting because of the bad RNG?

I actually had a three-day dry spell on this last relic where I couldn't get any of the drops in the five or six dungeons I was queueing for. None. I was completely stalled out with no way to progress. Every dungeon that I finished that I didn't get a drop in, my frustration built. Eventually, I started getting really snippy with friends that ran with me and got their drops and at that point I told myself that I needed a break. I took a day completely off from the Zodiac grind, crafted a little, did some pony farming, basically just did anything but Zodiac. I went back to it the next day and finally got a couple of drops. Sometimes you just need to step away from it for awhile rather than continuing to grind your face on it.

Whether or not you have a Zodiac is completely immaterial to me. It doesn't change the value of mine in any way.

[starLivitation]

No, sorry..do it like the rest of us did for now. SE needs to stop invalidating peoples dedication and work. I REALLY hope SE stops catering to these kinds of people. Now, what they are doing is letting people who completed Zeta get a "leg up" in the new 3.1 Relic..and then nerfing it, THAT I am okay with. But not no..now thanks.

consider this, so u got lucky with RNG, and ur so happy to have RNG on ur side, but what about the unlucky ones? who have to do 20 or 30 times 1 dungen, and no drop? have u ever thought of how lucky u were? why did u get the good side of RNG? while the others have to suffer? how selfish are u....

[starLivitation]

next day and finally got a couple of drops. Sometimes you just need to step away from it for awhile rather than continuing to grind your face on it.

Whether or not you have a Zodiac is completely immaterial to me. It doesn't change the value of mine in any way.

i can't really beleave that, since u complained about our complains that this BAD and unfair RNG is good?

[Iromi]

consider this, so u got lucky with RNG, and ur so happy to have RNG on ur side, but what about the unlucky ones? who have to do 20 or 30 times 1 dungen, and no drop? have u ever thought of how lucky u were? why did u get the good side of RNG? while the others have to suffer? how selfish are u....

I had horrible RNG. Do not call me selfish. How judgmental are you? Only fools believe in luck. I had to run Hullbreaker over 45 times, Halatali 34, and Stone Vigil Hard for 12 HOURS. Do not even try to judge someone without asking.

So yeah, I had a hard time..guess what I did? Sucked it up and did it. What a way to get someone to see your point of view..insult them, judge them without knowing anything, seems really legit.

Not everyone whines, complains and expects hand me outs and nerfs because they had to deal with oh so horrible RNG.

[Kyuuen]

No, sorry..do it like the rest of us did for now. SE needs to stop invalidating peoples dedication and work. I REALLY hope SE stops catering to these kinds of people. Now, what they are doing is letting people who completed Zeta get a "leg up" in the new 3.1 Relic..and then nerfing it, THAT I am okay with. But not no..now thanks.

I've never understood this stand point... I have mine and don't see how it invalidates what you or I did.

[Eidolon]

No. I didn't notice that at all, because they most definitely did. They actually still do.

People give up at all stages of the relic quest, not just Atma/Zodiac.

I'm on my fourth one, and honestly the Nexus grind is still the worst to me..

I guess Your Mileage May Vary* XD I didn't see nearly as many complaints as I do about the Zeta stage and the Atma stage. and the Atma stage dissapeared thanks to the buff.

[starLivitation]

I had horrible RNG. Do not call me selfish. How judgmental are you? Only fools believe in luck. I had to run Hullbreaker over 45 times, Halatali 34, and Stone Vigil Hard for 12 HOURS. Do not even try to judge someone without asking.

So yeah, I had a hard time..guess what I did? Sucked it up and did it. What a way to get someone to see your point of view..insult them, judge them without knowing anything, seems really legit.

Not everyone whines, complains and expects hand me outs and nerfs because they had to deal with oh so horrible RNG.

so because u suffered that, u want everyone else to suffer something pointless? why not ask SE to remove somethign as pointless as 30 or 40 runs doing the same thing over and over without any hope at the end, why not ask even it ur not gona gain anythign now, u can still help other and reduce their suffering, even if ur suffering has ended, we are suffering now still, why do we all suffer this RNG it's horrable...

[starLivitation]

I guess Your Mileage May Vary* XD I didn't see nearly as many complaints as I do about the Zeta stage and the Atma stage. and the Atma stage dissapeared thanks to the buff.

she propably has the best RNG on zodiac side, that would explain the situation.

[starLivitation]

Nope has nothing to do with RNG. OP just wants the weapon without putting in the effort to get it, so he wants it nerfed. Another day on the official forums. Yoshida please don't constantly cave in to these people. Giving away the best weapon in the game with little to no effort is a terrible idea.

i think u mis-understand my post and my intension. i have done hundreds of dungengs to finish my first hard earned relic, and also doing the same for my 2nd, i am doing work but getting little reward for the work i am putting. i have done a few of the items already, and each has cost me countless hours to get, and many many dungen runs ( at leaast 10 each ) , i am putting work, and ur not seeing this, then that is mis-understanding or mis-reading, and ur posting without knowledge of the subject.

what i am trying to get here, there need to be a limit, on how many dungen runs u can go without getting any reward. i would suggest 20 runs maybe, after that u shud be rewarded the item and thats that, maybe a point system i am sure develipers can do this..

[Iromi]

I've never understood this stand point... I have mine and don't see how it invalidates what you or I did.

Because, I question what is the point of doing this grind if I wait 1-2 months and have to do half the work and get the same reward. They basically hand things to people. And yeah, before someone says OMAGAD ITS OBSOLETE BY THEN...because that is always the default response lol but well, nerfing it while its irrelevant, well no..the 2.0 relic series is still relevant, so no, there is no point in nerfing it. Zeta > Deadwrym, if you do it right. The fact that they said Zeta people get a leg up in the next update alone means they should not be nerfing it yet.

so because u suffered that, u want everyone else to suffer something pointless? why not ask SE to remove somethign as pointless as 30 or 40 runs doing the same thing over and over without any hope at the end, why not ask even it ur not gona gain anythign now, u can still help other and reduce their suffering, even if ur suffering has ended, we are suffering now still, why do we all suffer this RNG it's horrable...

Why not just hand us everything in our mail box upon logging in? I agree though in the sense that they should stop with the RNG and instead should have us fight challenging raids or bosses (Like 2.0 relic patch where it was primals, chimera and hydra) and not use relic for reused, old content. I think that is horrible. They already said they realize that and are fixing it for the expansion. Either way, regardless of what it is, I will do it..because I always do.

It was not suffering, suffering is something much more then that..no hyperbole please. It was just time consuming lol. I would never continue doing something that makes me "suffer" so, I never suffered. Do not use straw man on me and put words in my mouth, thanks.

Nope has nothing to do with RNG. OP just wants the weapon without putting in the effort to get it, so he wants it nerfed. Another day on the official forums. Yoshida please don't constantly cave in to these people. Giving away the best weapon in the game with little to no effort is a terrible idea.

I agree. The sheer fact of the names they are calling me and others in here because they do not agree with them says a lot about what type of person they are. Luckily in 3.1, going by the interviews of what Yoshida said, they will be going back to boss fights...heh, just wait for them to complain about how hard those are and how that stuff needs to be nerfed. PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE SE XD

i think u mis-understand my post and my intension. i have done hundreds of dungengs to finish my first hard earned relic, and also doing the same for my 2nd, i am doing work but getting little reward for the work i am putting. i have done a few of the items already, and each has cost me countless hours to get, and many many dungen runs ( at leaast 10 each ) , i am putting work, and ur not seeing this, then that is mis-understanding or mis-reading, and ur posting without knowledge of the subject.

what i am trying to get here, there need to be a limit, on how many dungen runs u can go without getting any reward. i would suggest 20 runs maybe, after that u shud be rewarded the item and thats that, maybe a point system i am sure develipers can do this..

Oh..I'm sorry you had to put in work to get the best weapon in the game. I think you might be playing the wrong genre of games. MMO always have RNG.