SE plz nerf zodiac quest ....

[Gyson]

I feel like people think a grind has to have randomness. It doesn't. I would rather be told "Do this 20 times and you'll receive a reward" instead of "Do this 20 times and you'll probably received a reward, as long as RNG doesn't screw you.". Because someone is going to find themselves doing that activity more than 20 times, and all the people who received the reward in fewer attempts aren't going to make that situation feel any better.

Like the original poster stated, they've run the same dungeon 16 times without seeing the needed drop to progress. What exactly is the magic number where we can stop saying (quote) "..Nope has nothing to do with RNG. OP just wants the weapon without putting in the effort to get it.."? and instead start agreeing that there might be a better way than basing everything on random chance?

I, for example, like what SE did with alexandrite. There are multiple ways to get it, and all involve grinding for something. You can accumulate them more quickly if you choose to toss in dumb luck (FATE drops), but you're not stuck if you don't.

[Lemuria]

I, for example, like what SE did with alexandrite. There are multiple ways to get it, and all involve grinding for something. You can accumulate them more quickly if you choose to toss in dumb luck (FATE drops), but you're not stuck if you don't.

Shame they couldn't have done the same for the materia. It's still pot luck as to whether you get something you can actually use after all that spiritbonding.

[Cherie]

it's irrelivant content now, its out dated, it's time to nerf it now, why delay this?

There is no point to do the quest.... why nerf if there is no point... I'm confused...

I guess there is a point to it for some people? Then why need to nerf it? If it's not worth doing, then it's not worth doing... If it is,then it is.
It's not like this quest was some grand symphony. Even the story of the quest was a pun.. "um, yea I think now that you got all those atma and light, im gonna need you to go back and get 99 of each atma...yaaaaa"

This whole quest was SE's answer to people who didn't want to learn the raids, so they are just like, "um, go beat those easy dungeons and fates you already beat, but...like do it like, a bunch of times I guess?" Cause well learning is hard and no one has time to raid, but somehow has time to go do the same dungeon 500 times... gosh, maybe we did have time after all! lol

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

Like the original poster stated, they've run the same dungeon 16 times without seeing the needed drop to progress. What exactly is the magic number where we can stop saying (quote) "..Nope has nothing to do with RNG. OP just wants the weapon without putting in the effort to get it.."? and instead start agreeing that there might be a better way than basing everything on random chance?

When i meet ONE person that actually can't get a zodiac weapon because of RNG. As far as I know there have been no people unable to finish the zodiac quest, unless they give up. Eventually the item drops. it just might take more runs then you would like.

Having a system that tallies how many times you run a dungeon, and says drops the item after 20-30 times will solve nothing. There will be people that still complain that 20-30 times is too many.

I will agree zeta weapons are not easy to get, but top end equipment isn't suppose to be easy to get. The best equipment is there to entice people to keep playing the game until the next patch. To try and get those Best in slot pieces is suppose to take a long time. And when you do finally get those best in slot pieces, you feel like you accomplished something.

[Kyuuen]

When i meet ONE person that actually can't get a zodiac weapon because of RNG. As far as I know there have been no people unable to finish the zodiac quest, unless they give up. Eventually the item drops. it just might take more runs then you would like.

Having a system that tallies how many times you run a dungeon, and says drops the item after 20-30 times will solve nothing. There will be people that still complain that 20-30 times is too many.

I will agree zeta weapons are not easy to get, but top end equipment isn't suppose to be easy to get.

True, but at the same time when you make a subscription based game and part of your games mechanics makes a group of people feel punished due to poor luck, and thus forces them to run the same content repeatedly, it can cause a burnout and loss of sub/s. How does that make sense?

With it being the end of coming content until expansion; which I know is only a month away, any company in said position should shift focus to stymie sub loss, not potentially continue it. Then again.. it could also cause sub loss as it brings people to the near end of the grind, a real conundrum. = /

[RylaiBluecrow]

I love how they are also tossing out it's iL as an indicator of it's "out-of-date"dness. iL is a garbage metric in determining equipment usefulness. I mean, the best body piece for Bard right now is Demon's Tabard and that's iL 120. Zodiac is 125. But stepping back further Relic becomes potentially best in slot at iL100 when it turns Novus because you MAKE IT THAT WAY. But yeah, I'm smelling cake in this thread...

I agree that ilvl does not mean shit.
I do not however agree with you in terms of weapons.
The most important stats that would determine your dps/aggro/heal is not even your main stat. It's the weapon damage. Weapon damge is tied directly to ilvl. Thus ilvl on weapons matter. A lot.

But yeah, armors/accessories ilvl doesn't mean shit.

[Eidolon]

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When i meet ONE person that actually can't get a zodiac weapon because of RNG. As far as I know there have been no people unable to finish the zodiac quest, unless they give up. Eventually the item drops. it just might take more runs then you would like.

The fact that you go out of your way to disinclude the people who gave up tells me there is plenty wrong with RNG based systems. What you're not understanding is that people giving up = it is a bad system. People gave up on ATMA Because it was bad. people give up on Zodiac because it's bad.

Ever notice how people don't complain about alexandrite, books, and light? It's because it's measurable progression they can tackle over time, even though the nexus light can potentially take longer than zeta!

People giving up tells me there is plenty wrong.

[PandaPause]

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The fact that you go out of your way to disinclude the people who gave up tells me there is plenty wrong with RNG based systems. What you're not understanding is that people giving up = it is a bad system. People gave up on ATMA Because it was bad. people give up on Zodiac because it's bad.

Ever notice how people don't complain about alexandrite, books, and light? It's because it's measurable progression they can tackle over time, even though the nexus light can potentially take longer than zeta!

People giving up tells me there is plenty wrong.

I'm going to assume you never saw the multiple complaints and threads that led to SE lowering cost of tomes for books or doubling lights gained.

[Gyson]

I will agree zeta weapons are not easy to get, but top end equipment isn't suppose to be easy to get. The best equipment is there to entice people to keep playing the game until the next patch. To try and get those Best in slot pieces is suppose to take a long time. And when you do finally get those best in slot pieces, you feel like you accomplished something.

Yes, you feel like you've beaten the random roll of dice. Yay?

I would prefer to feel like I earned it through payment for effort. That's why I like systems where running content = some type of currency reward = purchase what you want with it.

[starLivitation]

the only people calling for not to nerf it, are the ones who got it completed? correct me of i am wrong here, because none of u are stuck in it, u got pass it with the nice rng, what about the rest of us?
20 runs today, and still nothing, i am begining to think the quest is buged maybe? i dont know what to think any moree....