Solo dungeons and raids!

[kyuven]

Which is better, letting players solo old stuff an expansion or two later, or nerfing the content during the expansion to the point that any 8-man with at least 5 brains shared between them can handle it? With something like WoW, I much prefer the former.


Doesn't that just support my argument idea that FFXIV offers an experience you can't get in a single player game?

1) They're going to do both, most likely, since they've been talking about adding "instance mercs." And this again goes to my point about story content being gated behind difficult content.

2) Of course it has a different experience. It's a multiplayer game. But by the same token of offering a different experience, why bring something that makes it the same as a single player game? There is no need to introduce MORE single player experiences in a multiplayer focused game at this time.

There IS content for both. But this is a multiplayer game, so the majority of content will be multiplayer. Good games have a direction in their development.
And again, for the third or fourth time since you're not reading this: in 4.0, I would not be opposed to them having a mechanic for soloing 2.0 content, as it will be extraordinarily irrelevant by that point.
But for now, and for at least the next development cycle, there is no need for soloable story content as it is still at least somewhat relevant.

Hmm.... How do you know?
Some of player here play this game because of "Final Fantasy" they never play any mmo before.
I'm more prefer this game is for all can play, not just for specific only can play.

This IS an MMO. Not everyone will have the same experience. Just because it has Final Fantasy in the name doesn't mean it should be open to every single play style. They abandoned that logic within the series a LONG time ago.
For example, if you liked VII, you might not like XII. People who love IX hate X. They're different games under the same franchise.
This game isn't even comparable to the OTHER Final Fantasy MMO, which was even LESS soloable and has an even more difficult barrier to entry than this one.

[Sapphic]

A big part of the lure of raiding and pushing each week to progress through countless wipes for many Final Fantasy players is to experience the story in there.

Now you want to take that away?

Do people still wonder why theres a barrier between raiders and non-raiders with suggestions like this? Raids are designed for co-operation and socialisation to overcome the challenge for progression in the story within the content.

Seriously, if you want to experience the story with zero effort, use youtube. Otherwise do what raiders do, socialize and put some effort into learning and improving your game to take on the challenge to see the story properly. Without the struggle the story becomes poointless as with coil, the story is based on the struggle to try and prevent the re-emergence of bahamut not some holiday picnic.

The next part of the story is the first reward for finally defeating a fight, repeat clears of the boss are farming so you can tackle the next boss.

The ONLY way I'd ever be behind this is when HW raids are released and they change it for coil NEVER for present raids. I guess I'm fine with players experiencing the story this way when no-one runs it anymore.

[nuyu11]

1)This IS an MMO. Not everyone will have the same experience.

Yes MMO = Multiplayer Online Games, its just a genre nothing much, all player stay together playing game, doesn't mean they need to beat the hardcore content together, they can talk or laugh together the purpose of MMO is for social.

Not everyone will have the same experience = That's why we make it more various & more choice.

Let the hardcore player have their awesome loots and let the casual player complete their epic story saga.
I don't want my casual friends quit this games due to frustration unable to beat the hardcore coil, all she want is to complete the story.

[Felis]

the words solo and raid don't fit together

[Gunspec]

the words solo and raid don't fit together

Clearly you've never heard of a Shaman named "Prepared" and his 31 multiboxed alts. :P

[nuyu11]

Do people still wonder why theres a barrier between raiders and non-raiders with suggestions like this?

Hmm... Which one are you?

From your lodestone I saw you have Odin Minion (1 year worth subs), but I don't see complete Dreadwyrn from your monk yet(15% echo).
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Neri]

Clearly you've never heard of a Shaman named "Prepared" and his 31 multiboxed alts. :P

I don't know who that is though but... multiboxed still doesn't count as solo though? Even 1 player, but how many characters are participating?

[kyuven]

Yes MMO = Multiplayer Online Games, its just a genre nothing much, all player stay together playing game, doesn't mean they need to beat the hardcore content together, they can talk or laugh together the purpose of MMO is for social.

Not everyone will have the same experience = That's why we make it more various & more choice.

Let the hardcore player have their awesome loots and let the casual player complete their epic story saga.
I don't want my casual friends quit this games due to frustration unable to beat the hardcore coil, all she want is to complete the story.

MMO=MASSIVELY Mutliplayer Online (Game) "Massively" refers to how there is a large number of players interacting and doing things at once. If no one is required to group to do things, then it's just an oversized lobby filled with crafters. There ARE games like that, by the way.
You DO have these choices, but you also have your choice in which game you play. This game offers you many choices, but it still has requirements. That's the way games work. Even Arena style games have certain requirements to get certain things.
Seriously, if you WANT to play solo, there IS solo content. A lot of solo content. However, there will always be group content and, since this is a MASSIVE online world, that will take precedent over the single player aspect. Even the games i mentioned have things locked behind group content.
If you're a predominantly solo player, and don't want to deal with the DF, PF, or making your own group, maybe this game is not for you. Similarly, if you don't like turn-based content and backtracking, FFIV won't be for you.
Adding options, again, is fine, but those options should not supersede the core tenets of us working together to accomplish goals.

[Shadray]

I don't see the problem with a solo or small group option.

I prefer to do the content with other people but it's not my place to tell others how to enjoy the game.

If there's a demand for it I say go for it, it may bring in more subscribers which will in turn mean more funds to spend on development.

[LalaRu]

...solo play for dungeons AND raids, such as BCoB would be a great idea...

This is a MMO, mate. If you like solo so much, FF have other great titles you can play with.