Fan Census: This is embarrassing

[KisaiTenshi]

When considered as a percentage of the server population the top 27 servers are all Japanese.

This is embarrassing. We should be doing better than this. They play the exact same game as us and we aren't even competitive compared to them.

Well let's state the obvious:
1) Japanese players like hard content, American players would rather be carried through hard content. We know this is true because it's true in every MMORPG, and that's why we get baby-difficulty nerfs to various games.
2) American players tend to give up after a single wipe, Japanese players? I don't know.
3) American players are motivated by profit and would rather sell a carry than actually help anyone.
4) Not everyone cares about Coil.

More people would care about Coil if they knew there was a storyline to it, AND didn't have to wait 2 hours just to get into it.

There are similar problems just getting into Hard and Extreme Trials. Sometimes you wait 10 minutes, sometimes you want an hour and a half.

BTW I'm on Excalibur, the NA one with the highest clears. That can probably be chalked up to Reddit, 4chan and SomethingAwful all being on it.

[LunaHoshino]

First I'll say thanks to you for helping others clear it. BUT your experience differs vastly from mine. HALF the full parties I get in DF for T5 immediately lose 2-3 people as soon as the 'bonus sol' message appears. Two or three more fall apart before anyone even leaves the entry pad because gear/Lodestone inspections show no prior clear or less than full augmented ironworks gear.

I'd love to do coils...if I was bloody well allowed to.

Oh, I don't DF T5 because it's an absolute crapshoot, like you said. I just look in PF for people who are trying to get clears and join those-- you're much more likely to get people who are willing to be patient in PF rather than DF. Not always, but it's a much better chance.

[AzuraWinters]

In my opinion this is a matter of will. The people who wants to get it done, will get it done. Those who don't, will embarrass you (lol). Personally, I haven't bothered with the Coils, why? Because no.

[Skeith-Adeline]

Oh man the necromancy D:
Edit: The irony of my post...

[Shuon]

I don't raid at all because I have no time.

Also JP servers include Aussies and English speaking southeast Asians - not that it matters but ye

[TheHolyAsprin]

I think I heard the President say something about this in the State of the Union. I think it went something like, "Strengthen the economy, peace in the middle east, and all ya'll stop being noobs."

[Magusrex]

This only embarrassing to SE. If the content was better or more rewarding to NA players there would be a higher completion rate. The only thing it takes to complete this high level content is time. It doesn't make you special or better than anyone else. I have been the leader of highly competitive guilds in other games...yes some people learn faster than others, but given enough time I can teach a bunch of moms who have never played MMOs to defeat any raid encounter in any game. Maybe the NA players have evolved enough to know that having the best gear or completing all the toughest raids does not equal the most enjoyment. Play the game, have fun, do the best you can with time available to you. don't look back.

I have not completed that much in this game because I make the best use of my time in game to have fun. Coil through the DF is not worth the time spent. Some EX Primals through the DF is not worth it. Joining an FC to play that content is not worth the time. I would not give up my small FC of family and friends for the purpose of defeating coil. I play healers and tanks, I play well, I do not have to sit in queues for long. Yes I have to grind for reasonable gear but I do not have to invest large banks of time and I do not have to commit to any kind of schedule. I get to do what I want, whenever I want, as long as I want, exactly the way I want. I am guessing many NA players are like me. I know some people expect others to carry them, but I do not feel these completion rates are any kind of indictment on NA players, It doesn't make JP players better, we just have different in game priorities.

[Cynfael]

Looking back at the progression of this thread, it's a shame how many players seem to have written off Coil without even having made an effort to experience it.

It's absolutely true that not everyone must enjoy the same activities; clearly the game is designed to entertain more than one playstyle. However, I think that too many players are intimidated by how much time they assume it takes or how terribly they assume other players will treat them.

What's so bad about gathering some friends (or making new ones) and learning the fights for fun and for story? People around here often make it seem as if players were divided firmly into super-casual and hardcore elitist camps while the truth is that all content is A) available to everyone and B) not nearly as difficult to access and clear as some would think.

[RylaiBluecrow]

Well, i don't see the goal of the game to be final coil. I give literally no f about it.

I don't need final coil gears; i don't wanna just "be cool" and hang around with Final Witness title or just bragging about beating final coil.

It's like asking everyone to get Lucis Tool on all gathering/crafting gears. Why there's no thread about that...?

On that note, should I, someone who has lucis, to be ashamed of everyone else who doesn't...?

No.

It's just how people play their fucking game.

[Gardes]

This only embarrassing to SE. If the content was better or more rewarding to NA players there would be a higher completion rate.

Would have been a valid criticism...if the non raiders themselves asked for the raid reward to not be better than the welfare option. There are even people arguing that raid rewards should be marginalized some more so that it's all just glamour/titles/minions or 'fancy' graphical rewards because they feel it's 'enough'. The last time the raiders asked for better rewards, they got the +5 ilvl on the allagan weapons from bcob...which then got neutralized again starting on late scob.

I'm willing to be that if the people who dont get to raid gets polled on whether raid gear rewards should be way better than the tome options, majority would vote no.