Take it easy on the Nerfing :/

[Elusana_Celah]

angry.

Just because you don't like something someone said and something someone said hits a 'nerve' doesn't automatically make it an immature and angry post nor does it automatically discredit the person. If you feel something someone said is complete "bullshit" you can simply counter it with why it is "bullshit". Also his reply was in reference to my comment just before that making your reply just now irrelevant to what that person was saying because my comment was about why we can't have nice rewards locked behind a challenge barrier.

[PenutButter]

The moral of the story is that people will bitch and whine no matter what.

[Niwashi]

Also his reply was in reference to my comment just before that making your reply just now irrelevant to what that person was saying because my comment was about why we can't have nice rewards locked behind a challenge barrier.

But your post wasn't the one called rubbish. Your comment regarding rewards locked behind a challenge was perfectly valid and on-topic, (regardless of who agrees with you or not). It was Gardes post that started spewing vitriolic conspiracy theory that everyone is out to get you which was called a load of rubbish. There's no "countering" it because there's no argument there to counter, just meaningless insults.

[StouterTaru]

is it safe to assume that people are only talking about this still because they are waiting for the expansion pack to come out?

Pretty much. Next Thursday they will give us more details about the expansion, and this will subside for about 3 days.

[SummerSkye]

Because unskilled players are hell bent on taking down skilled players a peg.

Then they'd get confused when the skilled players doesn't want to have anything to do with them after all that "you don't matter, we're more than you" garbage they keep spouting.

lol, what a load of rubbish. Do you people even read what you write anymore?

You can prove what he says as rubbish by offering a counter-argument instead of simply calling it "rubbish" which would make you look a lot more mature rather than an angry kid who didn't like something someone said on the internet.

Elusana, Telling Skivvy that he sounds like an angry kid on the internet is hypocritical. There was nothing in the first post for him to "debate" as you offered he should have done, because Gardes' post was conjecture. Last time I checked, it is pretty impossible to debate conjecture.

[Gamer3427]

Pretty much. Next Thursday they will give us more details about the expansion, and this will subside for about 3 days.

A whole three days? I give it a day and a half at the most.....

[Elusana_Celah]

Elusana, Telling Skivvy that he sounds like an angry kid on the internet is hypocritical. There was nothing in the first post for him to "debate" as you offered he should have done, because Gardes' post was conjecture. Last time I checked, it is pretty impossible to debate conjecture.

Yet the conjecture is the only person to reply to me with any kind of answer the rest were comments of people angry at the conjecture. So what am I supposed to feel now? I haven't been given one 'serious' reply to my comment except that conjecture. Am I to believe that the reason we can't have any rewards being locked behind a challenge barrier because, in fact, unskilled players will bitch about it until things change and they are allowed to have the rewards too?

OR, am I going to get a serious reply to my comment instead of calling the only reply I get "rubbish"? I've heard NO counter argument at all. It's clear that people considered that conjecture to be vitriol and otherwise cancerous yet has anyone offered an opposing viewpoint? Nope. Therefore that cancerous reply is the only one that looks like a 'serious' reply because the rest of the people are just calling it cancer without giving their own "non-cancerous" ideas.

[Marxam]

I understand the desire to help newer and struggling players complete content but is Nerfing truly necessary for all content presented to us that was (Reasonably) challenging?

But seriously the fight wasn't hard, as is the case with most nerfed content outside of coil raids. The problem was that it was poorly explained. Maybe some highlights like DB marks on the cannons and snares to indicate when to use them might be helpful. Its a pretty busy fight and with the awful camera control underneath vishap it makes things more complicated for new tanks. Personally I feel like they should have just used V.O. for the guards as people seem to understand instructions more easily then just reading text splashed out on the screen (think Dragon Age, Elder Scroll or even CoD).

[SummerSkye]

am I going to get a serious reply to my comment instead of calling the only reply I get "rubbish"?

To be honest, I believe that skilled players SHOULD have access to juicy rewards locked behind difficult content. Rewards that the more casual players either have to a) get better to attain or b) forget about attaining. I agree with you on that point.

Here is the reality of the situation, sadly: As much as we love this game, and enjoy all the things that it has to offer, this game (like most MMOs) is a business. So what happens is that they are economically forced to cater to the "lowest common denominator" of player in the player base. They do not want Billy the Paladin giving up on a MSQ duty and going back to WoW or Wildstar. I boils down to money, sadly.

I agree with you. To put a juicy reward behind a challenge barrier is not disallowing a paying player to have access to "all" the content in the game. It is right there for them. It merely requires them to socialize and get better to attain it.

[Niwashi]

To be honest, I believe that skilled players SHOULD have access to juicy rewards locked behind difficult content. Rewards that the more casual players either have to a) get better to attain or b) forget about attaining. I agree with you on that point.
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To put a juicy reward behind a challenge barrier is not disallowing a paying player to have access to "all" the content in the game. It is right there for them. It merely requires them to socialize and get better to attain it.

I would agree with this if the hardest content in the game were solo content. But like most (likely all) MMOs, the hardest content requires not just a skilled player, but a whole team of skilled players who are familiar with each other's gameplay.

Many players have real lives that don't allow for their gaming to follow the sort of regular predictable schedule that would make it possible to join a static group. No matter how skilled they are at the game, their job, and the specific content they're trying to complete, they can still only complete content that can be done by one skilled player and 7 other random unknown people that joined their PUG. The only content that's available to all paying players is content that's PUGable.

That leaves the only options as:

1) Make the hardest content in the game easy enough to do in a pick up group. Of course, this is going to anger any statics who want challenging group content.

2) Exclude most of their paying customers from any access to the content they're paying for.

3) Make sure all the rewards are available through easier content, and that the most challenging content simply provides somewhat faster access to them, along with the pride and enjoyment that comes from the challenge itself.

Since #1 and #2 both have some pretty major drawbacks, #3 is really the most viable pattern.