Are the Twelve Primals too?

[Duuude007]

Shiva for example was very different to any other primal we have seen cause she possessed someone rather than existing independent of them.

I am still convinced that this is what happened with... (spoilers)

Louisiox too, but because he was tempered by Bahamut, it was not a voluntary posession. That and the existence of an actual Phoenix is missing from the Eorzean lore, inferring that it was memories drawn from Bahamut's memories of the ancient great bird which allowed it to coalesce with the aether Louisiox had gathered

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[Viridiana]

I am still convinced that this is what happened with... (spoilers)

It's also what the Sahagin leader was trying. Whether he failed because his Echo was the Ascian Echo or because he was disembodied at the time Leviathan arrived, I can't be sure.

[KarstenS]

I am still convinced that this is what happened with... (spoilers)

Louisiox too, but because he was tempered by Bahamut, it was not a voluntary posession. That and the existence of an actual Phoenix is missing from the Eorzean lore, inferring that it was memories drawn from Bahamut's memories of the ancient great bird which allowed it to coalesce with the aether Louisiox had gathered

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As far I understood the story, Bahamut has not tempered Louisoix. He has tempered Phoenix, that was a part of Louisoix at this time.

There's also the fact that Louisoux explicitly states he turned himself into a primal.

Don't know if there are differrences in the translations. But in the german version he told the prays of the Eorzeans together with the big cloud of aether summoned the Phoenix and he was within the focus point of the summon, what lead to the result that he got part of Phoenix.