Am I the only one that sort of kinda likes the nerf to SoF?

[Radacci]

Take that as you will. But remember, when youre asking random people to cooperate, you have to take into account that almost no one wants to step up and give out orders and some people just refuse to cooperate even if it means a win for the team. Were humans. Were a**holes by default.

cooperating in an MMO? god forbid!
you're right, most ppl are idiots, but that's not cause humans are idiots by default, it's cause kids are taught to shut up, and stop asking so many questions; just sit your ass down, and repeat what i said. then they get spoonfed with lies and idiocy.
then they stop asking questions, and stay ignorant, repeating the idiocy they been brainwashed with, never thinking for themselves.
so now we got this big brainless playerbase that can't incorporate other ppl into their play, to clear an easy fight.
and ofc instead of realizing they do it all wrong, they blame SE for making the fight to difficult; no one wanna admit they suck.

[Fyce]

so now we got this big brainless playerbase that can't incorporate other ppl into their play, to clear an easy fight.

You're right, this "brainless playerbase" is big. In fact, it's so big that it has become one of the primary type of players playing MMORPGs.

This herd of idiots, as you call them, are keeping the game alive.

The least you can do is accept that they should be able to purchase Heavensward and keep paying their monstly sub so SE can make the hard content you want.

FFXIV is designed to have content appealing for as much player types as possible.
The idiots are not leaving and they will keep having content made to match their needs and expectations, just like you also do have content matching your needs.
Deal with it.

[Radacci]

You're right, this "brainless playerbase" is big. In fact, it's so big that it has become one of the primary type of players playing MMORPGs.

This herd of idiots, as you call them, are keeping the game alive.

The least you can do is accept that they should be able to purchase Heavensward and keep paying their monstly sub so SE can make the hard content you want.

FFXIV is designed to have content appealing for as much player types as possible.
The idiots are not leaving and they will keep having content made to match their needs and expectations, just like you also do have content matching your needs.
Deal with it.

yup, and then there's the kardashians. it's mostly idiots that keep them going too.
as long as the kardashians make money, all is good. the more money they make, the more crazy stuff they can come up with, that cater to the idiots that feed them.
so what's the problem? the kardashians, or the ppl that make them rich?

i dont need hard content, i want fun content. SoF was easy and fun. stupid ppl force it into content you can afk through. might as well just remove the fighting, and have a cutscene instead, where our character stand there like a turd, and have sidekicks, do the fighting for us. that would have been better than nerfing the content.
i'm not complaining about content aimed at many different ppl, that's a good thing. but if you want me to deal with that, maybe ppl can deal with it, that there's content they need to cooperate for, to complete? It's an MMO after all.
It didn't even take a lot to clear it. only to use your brain a little bit. Again, it's end-game story...if you got that far, it should be a cake to go through it. If it's a problem, just ask friends to help you with it, instead of whining after nerfs.
yah and the fight was designed to be as how it was released, so your argument about content appealing to the masses, is kind of meh. Even the devs are overestimating the brain capacity of the masses; having to nerf easy content. They made it easy to begin with, to appeal to the masses. I'm sure they are rolling their eyes too.
There's plenty of hardcore games, that do well...like demon souls/bloodborne. SE don't "need" to cater to low-tier playerbase; they could have made the game more difficult (as XI supposedly was) and it would still have done well, since more HC ppl would have stayed.
Oh i can deal with it. I don't care about coil nerfs and such, as long as i can clear it before the nerfs. I'm just dumbfounded as to why ppl are having such trouble with such an easy fight, to the point that SE had to drastically nerf it. Why can't ppl just learn to cooperate, instead of crying?
In the future, ppl will never again have the opportunity to play the content, as it was initially designed.
I would have hated to start playing now, and getting carried through all the nerfed/easy coils. Would have been boring, and i'd ended up quitting probably.
You can never make everyone happy. Every time you try to appease someone, you anger others, and ppl leave regardless. So they should just stay with what they release. and as you told me, ppl can just deal with it.

[Fyce]

SE don't "need" to cater to low-tier playerbase

Contradicting yourself from a sentence to another aside, with this one you clearly show us that you have absolutly no idea what kind of player are currently making the MMORPG playerbase, and that you don't know how the market is evolving either.

Wanting "these idiots" to go away is just simply not an option. That's what I meant by "deal with it", it was actually not a trolling attempt. You have to deal with the market evolving and the need to adjust content to the masses (really, the word speaks for itself), especially when said content is needed to get to the very first expension of the game.

You are underestimating the impact and the consequences if you suddenly remove half of the playerbase just because they are not above the average skill level.

Besides, the fact that you find that fight easy doesn't mean that it was for everyone. Again, you are ignoring a big part of the community by simply thinking that your experience with this fight is the same for everyone. It's not. SE have the numbers, you don't. If they though that it was needed to increase the number of people able to complete this trial, so be it, we are not making the game, they are.

On a final note: why do you even care? You've cleared this content already and have no need to go back to it. The only reason why you would do it is because it's a part of the Trial Roulette. Even then, I'm pretty sure that you don't want to deal with bad people making your runs a failure over and over again or even people leaving just before the fight even start.
You have absolutly no valid reason to ask for this fight to remain like it was at launch. None.

[Radacci]

Contradicting yourself from a sentence to another aside, with this one you clearly show us that you have absolutly no idea what kind of player are currently making the MMORPG playerbase, and that you don't know how the market is evolving either.
Wanting "these idiots" to go away is just simply not an option. That's what I meant by "deal with it", it was actually not a trolling attempt. You have to deal with the market evolving and the need to adjust content to the masses (really, the word speaks for itself), especially when said content is needed to get to the very first expension of the game.

You are underestimating the impact and the consequences if you suddenly remove half of the playerbase just because they are not above the average skill level.

Besides, the fact that you find that fight easy doesn't mean that it was for everyone. Again, you are ignoring a big part of the community by simply thinking that your experience with this fight is the same for everyone. It's not. SE have the numbers, you don't. If they though that it was needed to increase the number of people able to complete this trial, so be it, we are not making the game, they are.

On a final note: why do you even care? You've cleared this content already and have no need to go back to it. The only reason why you would do it is because it's a part of the Trial Roulette. Even then, I'm pretty sure that you don't want to deal with bad people making your runs a failure over and over again or even people leaving just before the fight even start.
You have absolutly no valid reason to ask for this fight to remain like it was at launch. None.

i don't want the playerbase to go away, i want them to stop complaining about easy fights, and learn to cooperate, and clear it.
i know that everyone have different skill level, but as i stated, if you can get to SoF, you should be able to clear it. If you think it's a bit tough, then practice until you get it down.
the fight comprise of healers healing, tanks pulling mobs, DD doing cannons. how is that different from any other content? what exactly about the fight is so difficult that so many ppl can't clear it?

I care because they will keep making content easier, to cater to the masses, which means the game will be less exciting/fun to play and i'll probably quit.
I care because there's not gonna be any point in even having any fights at all, since you don't really have to "participate" to clear it. Where's it gonna stop? like the first solo fights in the story, where pap and yda fight the boss for you, and heal you while you deal with adds? they might as well stop making trial content, since ppl don't want/can't cooperate.
I think it's a valid reason to keep it that way, cause SE released it that way. And for ppl to make an effort to learn the fight, and clear it on their own merit, instead of getting carried. Maybe that way they could enjoy the game a little bit more. Personally i don't like getting carried, i want to clear it cause i can.
Also the fight IS easy, as i outlined above, there's really nothing new in the fight, except maybe timing spears, and how hard is that to figure out? If you're new, just heal/tank as usual, if you're DD, do cannons....i just don't see where the difficulty is. It's incomprehensible that ppl find it hard, and need nerf.

[Goodberry]

You're right, this "brainless playerbase" is big. In fact, it's so big that it has become one of the primary type of players playing MMORPGs.

This herd of idiots, as you call them, are keeping the game alive.

The least you can do is accept that they should be able to purchase Heavensward and keep paying their monstly sub so SE can make the hard content you want.

FFXIV is designed to have content appealing for as much player types as possible.
The idiots are not leaving and they will keep having content made to match their needs and expectations, just like you also do have content matching your needs.
Deal with it.

Excellent post, whatever Radacci may think of it.

[Viridiana]

The least you can do is accept that they should be able to purchase Heavensward and keep paying their monstly sub so SE can make the hard content you want.

You're right. That is the least we can do. . .Why are we aiming to do the least, again? Why aren't we trying to better people? To inspire them to better themselves?

[Fyce]

You're right. That is the least we can do. . .Why are we aiming to do the least, again? Why aren't we trying to better people? To inspire them to better themselves?

And why exactly should they adapt to you in order for you to be pleased with the content you want to see?

This is a video game. For a lot of players, it's just a fun thing to spend time on while not caring that much. It's like bowling or minigolf, some people like spending time playing it with their friends, but they have no intention of "becoming better" or improving to match some kind of arbitrary skill level.
Well, there are also people who like playing MMORPG with the same mindset. Shocking, I know, some play a video game for fun only.

These people are a big part of the community, and the devs want to give them some content they may enjoy... So, again, why should they changes their habits, needs and conception of enjoyment of the game just to please you so you can have the content you want to have more of (implying you already have some)?

Isn't that the notion of selfishness? Please, tell me what prevents you from letting these people play like they want while you do your own stuff and occasionnaly faceroll a Main Story fight?

[Viridiana]

And why exactly should they adapt to you in order for you to be pleased with the content you want to see?

This is a video game. For a lot of players, it's just a fun thing to spend time on while not caring that much. It's like bowling or minigolf, some people like spending time playing it with their friends, but they have no intention of "becoming better" or improving to match some kind of arbitrary skill level.
Well, there are also people who like playing MMORPG with the same mindset. Shocking, I know, some play a video game for fun only.

These people are a big part of the community, and the devs want to give them some content they may enjoy... So, again, why should they changes their habits, needs and conception of enjoyment of the game just to please you so you can have the content you want to have more of (implying you already have some)?

Isn't that the notion of selfishness? Please, tell me what prevents you from letting these people play like they want while you do your own stuff and occasionnaly faceroll a Main Story fight?

Right now, the main scenario requires no skill. To use your minigolf and bowling examples, it's like aiming at one pin in a bowling lane that has bumpers over both gutters, or like playing a mini golf lane that's just a straight line with no humps or anything. I'm sure there are people who would like that, but we can both agree that it's not for everyone, right?

I'm not asking for great things, here. I'd like to think I'm a decent player, but I'm almost certainly not among the best. I'm certainly not going to be contending for server or world firsts any time soon. And I'm not asking anyone to get to my level, or to get to the levels of BG or Lucrezia. I'm not even asking to meet in the middle, so to speak. I'm asking that maybe we teach people how a golfball rolls down hill, or how it bounces off the walls to let you get to a hole around a corner. Or maybe remove the bumpers from the bowling lanes.

What kept people from doing SoF before the nerfs, to continue the metaphor, is that some people are so excruciatingly bad at it that it's like they managed to gutter-ball even with the bumpers on. Which wouldn't be so bad (I mean, it's bad but it's kinda tolerable) if there were any actual rewards, especially if the rewards were commensurate with the time. Unfortunately, you have an instance with essentially no rewards and a high time requirement even if you succeed on the first try.

Now, if SE would actually implement stuff (like they started to with Chrysalis and SoF) to try to raise the lowest common denominator, people might actually get better. If people get better, we would expect to see fewer people throwing their bowling ball across three lanes. Which means that when you get an instance like SoF, you can reasonably expect success within the first try or two without also feeling like some of the party aren't pulling their weight at all. All SE has done here is allow people to play worse while still succeeding.

[Kikoten]

Meanwhile, behind the facade of this innocent looking forum...

Yoshi P et al are watching us dance and eating popcorn.

...Or whatever they eat at the theater in Japan. I'm thinking popcorn. It's a different world over there, so I don't know.