Extremely agitated: question about T9

[LunaHoshino]

I thought it was standard for a DPS to pick up the Blue Golem? Even in a 2-tank strat. I always pick it up whenever I play DPS (BRD, NIN, DRG, BLM).

I've run T9 as DRG many times and have never been asked to tank the blue golem. Usually it's the BRD who gets red and WHM who gets blue, as I recall, and then when the green one dies, the tank goes and picks up blue.

If it's DF with two tanks, the two tanks should take green and blue and the BRD or WHM should get red.

[Neuflune]

Sorry you had a rough first time in T9. Saying that you're new can be good or bad depending on the people, in my experience it's usually good because the party would actually try to talk about any mechanics beforehand especially if something is assigned to your class.

As for picking up a golem, in my experience it's done either by a bard or a blackmage; in the absence of both, either a nin or monk 'coz of their burst damage. Healers aren't told to pick up anything. Then again I play in a Japanese data center so eh.

[ShaneDawn]

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Hahah this is sad but true. I've even seen abusive people start a vote kick against people standing up to them and succeed by the whims of the clueless pack of lambs. Sometimes I question the mental/reading ability of some players.

If what you described is correct, you clearly did not do any mistake there, unless you were actually assigned a golem. Usually a healer will take the initially blue golem, and the bard will take the red one with the more common/better solo tank strat. In df however, one healer should be taking blue, OT (preferably PLD) taking red and green for the MT. What happened out there was that one of the other other players (heal?) lost aggro and managed to fuse his golem into a big one. Now, what I can imagine, is that if it was a pack of friends, he might've pulled some absurd reason like "OMG it was this durgun pulling the aggro off me kick ham!" People go to scary distances to cover their mistakes and protect their ego.

[Anapingofness]

I would suggest not saying anything from now on.

I can't get behind that advice (even you said you urge new players to say that they're new! that shouldn't change!). I understand that people do not want to be harassed but there are many people out there, like myself, who would prefer to know who exactly is new- especially for a fight like t9. I always try to be helpful and offer advice to new players but if nobody speaks up it makes things difficult for me as well.

OP- you did nothing wrong. The onus is on that group and they should be ashamed for kicking you.

[Eidolon]

I thought it was standard for a DPS to pick up the Blue Golem? Even in a 2-tank strat. I always pick it up whenever I play DPS (BRD, NIN, DRG, BLM).

So, basically, here's what it is:

In two tank strategy, your DPS doesnt' pick up an add. The PLD+WAR handle the one the PLD+DPS usually pick up.

In one Tank strategy, like you said, a DPS needs to be willing to pick it up. For the Red Golem, your prioty should be BRD > Any Melee > BLM > SMN. The reason SMN is lowest on this list is because they have the most delayed threatgen - they need to get full DoT's off to pull threat, and a higher-geared WHM will pull threat faster than they might be able to get them up.

BRD is the universally accepted picker-up #2. The reason for this is so they can silence the Blue golem after they recieve the new orders.

A DRG won't tank unless explicity told to. Switching a melee off green is just asking for 2x green golems.

[juniglee]

So, basically, here's what it is:

In two tank strategy, your DPS doesnt' pick up an add. The PLD+WAR handle the one the PLD+DPS usually pick up.

In one Tank strategy, like you said, a DPS needs to be willing to pick it up. For the Red Golem, your prioty should be BRD > Any Melee > BLM > SMN. The reason SMN is lowest on this list is because they have the most delayed threatgen - they need to get full DoT's off to pull threat, and a higher-geared WHM will pull threat faster than they might be able to get them up.

BRD is the universally accepted picker-up #2. The reason for this is so they can silence the Blue golem after they recieve the new orders.

A DRG won't tank unless explicity told to. Switching a melee off green is just asking for 2x green golems.

Seems I forgot my standard is the JP standard. That said, most of the farm parties I used to join used to do the North tank/spread strat (JP's do the mid tank/sprint method), so I assumed it was the same in the NA/EU servers as well.

For the two tank strats, on spawn, the tanks pick up the Green and Red respectively, and the last one is picked up by a DPS. Blue is always the first to die. Then when they switch colors, it's in priority of Blue > Green > Red. Isn't this how it usually is?

[Eidolon]

For the two tank strats, on spawn, the tanks pick up the Green and Red respectively, and the last one is picked up by a DPS. Blue is always the first to die. Then when they switch colors, it's in priority of Blue > Green > Red. Isn't this how it usually is?

Hmn....

It's been a while since I used that strategy. The reason we used to do it that way is on the off chance we could kill green after the orders were given to switch (Namely, that it would sometimes switch the Green one to the one we were DPS'ign - allowing us to kill it right away...)

Well, I think the way you mentioned was pre-2.3... I could be wrong though. And keep in mind, I speak for myself - this is the strategy I see the most used nowadays.

[Lemuria]

And Yoshi wonders why fewer people have beaten coil than expected. Some players never cease to amaze and disgust.

[LunaHoshino]

For the two tank strats, on spawn, the tanks pick up the Green and Red respectively, and the last one is picked up by a DPS. Blue is always the first to die. Then when they switch colors, it's in priority of Blue > Green > Red. Isn't this how it usually is?

In the NA servers these days, the priority is Green > Blue > Red. DPS is generally high enough that Green goes down long before the switch order is given, making sure that there is only ever one Green golem to deal with. This has been the strategy since at least 2.4, since that was when my FC started working on it.

[juniglee]

In the NA servers these days, the priority is Green > Blue > Red. DPS is generally high enough that Green goes down long before the switch order is given, making sure that there is only ever one Green golem to deal with. This has been the strategy since at least 2.4, since that was when my FC started working on it.

Cool. Good to know. Thanks for the insight!