MSQ Questions (MAJOR Spoilers)

[Syfer22]

So I recently finished up the MSQ, and there are some things I'm trying to wrap my head around. I figured I'd check with you guys to see if you could help my understand.

As far as I know, by near the end of the MSQ storyline the 3 leaders knew Ul'Dah was compromised one way or the other, and that people were plotting at least against the Sultanate.

Raubahn (may his arm RIP) had this whole little soliloquy about how he knew they could hear him, implying that he knew the Monetarists' ears were everywhere and that secrets rarely stay secret.

So with that in mind, why, why, WHY do the leaders insist on continuing to have all of their major meetings in Ul'Dah? It's like they're saying "Hey! People plotting against us! Here are our plans, take them pleeeeaaaase!"

It's a leap of logic that I'm struggling with. Sure Gridania and Limsa Lominsa have their own fair share of issues, but a lot of it seems more external than internal (i.e. troubles with beastmen).

And if the meetings were taking place in another locale, it would have made the Monetarists' plot at the end at least a little harder to pull off.

TLDR -- I don't get, plz halp T-T

[Syfer22]

Thanks for teaching me how to use the hidey box!

[gamesmart]

Limsa has enormous internal issues particularly considering the origin of the city-state. I'm really not sure what's holding that city-state together at this point considering it's just a bunch of pirates.

Gridania has its own share of problems including poachers and the like, on top of having to continually appease the elementals. We probably don't want another giant flood.

And use [hb] tags for the spoilers. You can also edit your post to go past the 1000 character limit.

[Viridiana]

I had to put my question in a separate box because of the character limit.

So I recently finished up the MSQ, and there are some things I'm trying to wrap my head around. I figured I'd check with you guys to see if you could help my understand.

Also, if someone can teach me how to do the Spoiler clicky thing, I'd really appreciate it.

hb is the spoiler tag. I guess it stands for hidey-box? >_>

Also, you can bypass the 1k character limit by editing your post.

Also also, this is a pretty good question. I can't think of a very good justification off-hand, either.

[Syfer22]

Limsa has enormous internal issues particularly considering the origin of the city-state. I'm really not sure what's holding that city-state together at this point considering it's just a bunch of pirates.

Gridania has its own share of problems including poachers and the like, on top of having to continually appease the elementals. We probably don't want another giant flood.

And use [hb] tags for the spoilers. You can also edit your post to go past the 1000 character limit.

But if you take the above and compare them to a highly compromised military, wouldn't that throw up more red flags for leaders? Why couldn't they have chosen a more neutral location?

[Cilia]

... why, why, WHY do the leaders insist on continuing to have all of their major meetings in Ul'Dah? It's like they're saying "Hey! People plotting against us! Here are our plans, take them please!"

...And if the meetings were taking place in another locale, it would have made the Monetarists' plot at the end at least a little harder to pull off.

No exact reason is ever given. I'd like to think it's because Limsa and Gridania just don't have a facility for something like the victory feast, but as to why Ul'dah is the seat of most 2.x meetings I couldn't say. I guess the Bismarck or Mih Khetto's Ampitheatre would work, but it was intended to be a sort of private event. (Also I'm making waffles if they ever hold such an event at the Bismarck - I'm sure Lynsgath would understand.)

That said, the victory feast was planned by Nanamo as her "abdicating the throne" event, so it makes more sense to hold it in Ul'dah. Makes more sense to do things that way, no?

From a non-story perspective, the Fragrant Chamber is just very easy to use for meetings and other official events. It already exists, so it doesn't require time and effort to put in the game (like a private dining hall in Limsa) and is large enough to accommodate groups of people; Merlwyb's office is rather small, and while the Lotus Stand is spacious it doesn't really have the facilities for something like a party.

[gamesmart]

But if you take the above and compare them to a highly compromised military, wouldn't that throw up more red flags for leaders? Why couldn't they have chosen a more neutral location?

Since we're the only ones that can really teleport at will, arranging to meet in a more neutral location (such as Revenant's Toll) would be extremely time-consuming (and possibly even MORE dangerous) for everyone involved, particularly due to the lack of an airship landing in Mor Dhona.

Not to mention that it wouldn't matter considering the nature of the corrupt Braves

[Syfer22]

That said, the victory feast was planned by Nanamo as her "abdicating the throne" event, so it makes more sense to hold it in Ul'dah. Makes more sense to do things that way, no?

Party aside, however, they did also have a few leader meetings in Ul'Dah as well which are among some of the ones I didn't understand since they knew Ul'Dah was compromised. I do see what you mean about the victory feast, though, and that's a good point.

[Anonymoose]

Raubahn <...> knew the Monetarists' ears were everywhere and that secrets rarely stay secret. So with that in mind, why, why, WHY do the leaders insist on continuing to have all of their major meetings in Ul'Dah? It's like they're saying "Hey! People plotting against us! Here are our plans, take them pleeeeaaaase!"

I think it's mostly a matter of cost-benefit analysis and certain things were estimated poorly.

By having the meetings in Ul'dah, you find a certain number of conveniences. For one, the Gridanians and Lominsans travel roughly equal distance; it's a crossroads. A smaller point, but possibly just as relevant, the Fragrant Chamber (unlike the Lotus Stand or the Bridge), actually has enough seats for everyone (and their discussions tend to be quite lengthy, even if we only see the important bits). With Ul'dah being the Alliance's bankroller, the risk seems rather small (most of the time) considering that the Syndicate is unlikely to sabotage its own investments.

In the end, was any of the information potentially overheard in the Fragrant Chamber directly responsible for any of the outcomes?

[myahele]

I think its mostly due to Ul'dah being in between Limsa and Gridania that it eventually became the unofficial meeting ground for the GC leaders.

Since it's in the middle the GC leaders can have multiple ways of going there: Merlwyb can go via Vesper Bay then chocobo and Kan K Senna can go from Camp Tranquil if they wanna be more incognito. Or they can go via airship