The constant disbanding of Steps of Faith

[Illya]

The entire MMO community has an accepted definition of what "oneshot" means and we're not all going to change it just for you Princess.

[Eidolon]

One Shot (Urban Dictionary)

Definition #5:
In video games, to kill an opponent with a single shot or blow.

Definition #11:
In WoW, being taken from 100% to death in one blow.
Common when bosses enrage or dps and healers get aggro

Definition #12:
Used often in First Person Shooters when someone acheives a one-hit-kill.

Dictionary.com...

#4: something occurring, done, used, etc., only once.

#5: occurring, done, etc., only once.

#6: achieved or accomplished with a single try:
a one-shot solution.

Wikipedia!
::: World of Warcraft is designed more around effective HP to ease the strain on healers by providing a buffer for them while they cast healing spells. This is achieved by obtaining gear with stats related to HP and defense as to ensure they are not 'one shot' killed by the encounter, and then obtaining mitigation stats to reduce the overall damage taken.

Personally? I think that guy has a pretty good description of it. If he said "I got one shot", that's literally the perfect description for what happened. The Vishap boss CAN one shot you (Take you from full to 0 HP in one hit) if the Dragon Killer misses. This is because the "Touchdown" skill outright -decimates- DPS. Trying to make conditional statements on the name of this skill is completely wrong.

At the same time, I don't know if I'd call it a one-shot skill so much as a High damage skill myself. But I've never really had to, so I cant' speak without knowing for sure on that subject. I just know when he said "One shot", I knew it had to be Landwaster, Body Slam, or Touchdown... The potentially one-shot skills.



Man. It's almost like the accepted definition of a one shot is that it's literally a one-hit kill....

[Raeletta]

If you think it means anything other than an attack readily capable of dropping you from full HP to zero, your definition is wrong anyway. The entire definition of a 1-shot is being straight up killed by an attack from full HP, something this game loves to do with a lot of its content in order to present "challenge" so it's not like the idea should be unfamiliar to anybody.

If you're trying to say Vishap doesn't have numerous means of accomplishing this, you're also wrong.



I have never seen any non-tank survive a hit from Mistral Song in storymode Garuda, so even ruling out an unmitigated Aerial Blast, she certainly does have these. Wicked Wheel was also a common melee killer in Garuda EX before people started to overgear/Echo the fight and was a big part of the reason why ranged DPS became so prevalent in the fight and melees were left out in the cold.

Not saying it is impossible to survive Mistral Song in storymode Garuda as a non-tank, but usually it's not going to happen, which in my book qualifies it as a potential 1-shot attack.

Another similar example: Batraal's pewpew laser in Dzemael Darkhold. Almost always, any non-tank that gets hit by this is going to die, period. If you try to pass off the attack as anything but a potential 1-shotter, you're not giving the correct impression of how important it is for it to be dodged.

But there is a big difference between a one-shot capable attack and an attack that WILL one shot you. Titans landslides will almost always result in a complete removal form the fight as will Levi EXs slam, these are true one shots. Garudas mistral in story mode is easily dodged by staying as far back as you should be, it is not random and it is the only thing you have to focus on at that time.

And batraals laser, again, properly managed it is so easy to dodge and very very well flagged with a gigantic target indicator. Not to mention Stoneskin will save anyone who is not excessively under-geared.

Vishap can oneshot you. Yes. However they're not even part of the problem, dodging these things is incredibly easy.

You seem to think that anything that has to be dodged because it could kill you is bad. Well, what else is going to kill you? In the vast majority of fights, the only person getting hit with anything except the "oneshot" moves is the damn tank. in steps, vishap deals no damage outside of these flagged moves, and noone should be hit by the mob except maybe the turtle or the antecendant (SVHMs final boss).

[Fynlar]

The entire MMO community has an accepted definition of what "oneshot" means and we're not all going to change it just for you Princess.

If you think it's at all appropriate to not label attacks that can and often do kill from full HP as potential 1-shot attacks, then there just might be something wrong with the terminology you're choosing to use, regardless of how many people use it that way.

But by all means, please keep trying to convince me that everyone in the "entire MMO community" is on your side.

But there is a big difference between a one-shot capable attack and an attack that WILL one shot you.

Is there really? Why is that? If the result from being hit / not handling it properly / etc. is almost always going to be the exact same anyway, what difference does it really make?

Generally speaking, the only difference between the two sorts of attacks that you're describing is that one will even kill tanks whereas they might survive the other kind. But since a lot of these attacks aren't even directed at the tank (or are not directed ONLY at the tank), that's usually a moot point to make.

Vishap can oneshot you. Yes. However they're not even part of the problem, dodging these things is incredibly easy.

They're actually not, in my opinion anyway. Body Slam is readied very quickly and AoEs are often very hard to see anyway with all the adds being crammed into the same space for cannoning. A lot of the time I am completely unable to see Vishap's legs too because his model just disappears from my screen (as most enemy models do when the camera is positioned inside them, but with an enemy like this, that's somewhat hard to avoid)

You seem to think that anything that has to be dodged because it could kill you is bad. Well, what else is going to kill you? In the vast majority of fights, the only person getting hit with anything except the "oneshot" moves is the damn tank. in steps, vishap deals no damage outside of these flagged moves, and noone should be hit by the mob except maybe the turtle or the antecendant (SVHMs final boss).

Oh, if only it turned out anything like that in the runs of this fight I've done...

You seem to have left quite a large space inbetween "how this fight should go down" and "how it actually happens in practice"... once you close that space you might start seeing why so many random groups of this fight end up failing.

[Eidolon]

But there is a big difference between a one-shot capable attack and an attack that WILL one shot you. Titans landslides will almost always result in a complete removal form the fight as will Levi EXs slam, these are true one shots.

If you are arguing these are one shots because they CAN kill you in one hit, then you must accept that Touchdown, Landwaster, Etc... are also one shots. To suggest that Landslide is a one shot is silly. Titan Story Mode, for example, Landslide will not kill you and most the time WILL NOT knock you off.
Titan Hard Mode, you can eat it if you're close enough and he won't knock you off.
Titan Ex... Haven't played with it enough. His Phase 1 definitely isn't a one shot, because peopel survive it easily all the time... Phase 2+, when it overlaps 3? Might be harder.

And batraals laser, again, properly managed it is so easy to dodge and very very well flagged with a gigantic target indicator. Not to mention Stoneskin will save anyone who is not excessively under-geared.

Vishap can oneshot you. Yes. However they're not even part of the problem, dodging these things is incredibly easy.

The attack being easy, or hard, to dodge, does not define it as a one shot. What a one shot is is literally, Your HP went from full to 0 HP in ... one shot. One Hit. One Kill.



Edit-in: For further humor.

Landslide/Dives definitely aren't a one shot.

You take damage from the Dive. But it doesn't kill you. Landing in the water afterwards is the second hit that kills you. The water is the one shot, not the dive.
You take damage from the Landslide. But it doesn't kill you. Landing on the ground while in combat kills you in Titan-EX. Not the landslide.

[Raeletta]

Alright then, Nael is a walking oneshot mechanic. She hits me for 2-6k (depending on buffs/block/parry/crit) and then I explode 12 seconds later for 2-6k AND can take everyone near me out at the same time.
Batraals whirlwind move can oneshot squishies if they're stood too close. The belly on the goobue in Lost city will oneshot the person inside if it's not killed....

Everything can oneshot.

As for titan, I know it can be survived, but generally by not getting hit. Taking it is going to knock you flying.

Landwaster is capable, but with that channel time, it just doesn't even come close to being a oneshot mechanic.

Edit:

To further this, Tidal Wave, Judgement Bolt, Ultima, those are all oneshot mechanics of the highest degree, you didn't do what you had to? Wipe, no argument.

Further edit for fun:

Landing on the ground out of combat in titan will also kill you, the floor does damage.

[Eidolon]

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Alright then, Nael is a walking oneshot mechanic. She hits me for 2-6k (depending on buffs/block/parry/crit) and then I explode 12 seconds later for 2-6k AND can take everyone near me out at the same time.
Batraals whirlwind move can oneshot squishies if they're stood too close. The belly on the goobue in Lost city will oneshot the person inside if it's not killed....

Everything can oneshot.

As for titan, I know it can be survived, but generally by not getting hit. Taking it is going to knock you flying.

Landwaster is capable, but with that channel time, it just doesn't even come close to being a oneshot mechanic.

Edit:

To further this, Tidal Wave, Judgement Bolt, Ultima, those are all oneshot mechanics of the highest degree, you didn't do what you had to? Wipe, no argument.

6k damage is not enough to one shot a tank. Please getgud. You would take two shots - Raven's Beak for 6k, then an auto attack for 2k. Thank you.

Though its' definitely a one shot on the DPS. Damn, they just exploded. Think I'm almost to the point where I can survive the explosion at i130 DRG now with echo since I've been clipped by it a few times helping learning parties :3

Still, if someone called Raven's Beak a one shot mechanic that has to be properly mitigated? I wouldn't tell them their terminology is wrong.

[Dualblade]

I think the part that is causing the hang-up is the MECHANIC part. Certainly many things can one-shot players depending on classes/gear, but a one-shot mechanic will always one-shot you regardless of how well geared/what your role is. Atleast thats where my hang-up on this whole thing is.

[Raeletta]

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6k damage is not enough to one shot a tank. Please getgud. You would take two shots - Raven's Beak for 6k, then an auto attack for 2k. Thank you.

Though its' definitely a one shot on the DPS. Damn, they just exploded. Think I'm almost to the point where I can survive the explosion at i130 DRG now with echo since I've been clipped by it a few times helping learning parties :3

Still, if someone called Raven's Beak a one shot mechanic that has to be properly mitigated? I wouldn't tell them their terminology is wrong.

Apologies, I must have been unclear. It hits me for 2-6k. Anyone else? Baibai.

[tocsin]

edited: first off, the person who gave the definition earlier, gave the right definition, but for the wrong term. you looked up "one shot", not "one shot mechanic". none of vishaps moves are a one shot mechanic. they may cause a one shot kill if you do not have the health to survive it, but if it CAN be survived, it is , by definition, NOT a 1 shot mechanic.

second, if you are hitting the adds, you are doing the trial wrong. no adds should be being damaged in this run. They despawn for a reason. if you are, you are just making the entire trial harder on yourself and your party. Get better.

Remember, the adds are there to distract you. they aren't part of the actual trial.