Quote Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah View Post
I perform how I need to perform to get a job done and depend on my team to do the same. If the fight is killed in 10 minutes or 8 minutes it matters not, the DPS checks are met and we're clearing I am happy. I am not considered "bad" for doing what my job entails instead of going above and beyond.
And that's why I said you settle. You couldn't care less if it's in 10 or 8 minutes just as long as you clear it. You're simply content with where you are and that's great for a lot of people. In fact, a lot of players actually struggle to reach that point where they are doing well enough that they feel they don't need to try any harder, so they don't.

However, you're simply justifying your lazy behavior by saying "Oh, I cleared it, so that's all that matters." On paper, you'd be right. In execution... Not so much. By your logic, if you were to participate in a marathon tomorrow, you wouldn't care less if you were last or first, just as long as you pass the finish line since that's all you set out to do. Some people want more than that though. Sometimes just getting by isn't enough for them.

If you're able to push content faster, but simply choose not to, that's just giving yourself (and your party) a handicap. You should be doing your best whenever you can and if you don't feel your best, you can probably still try to clear, but at least you'd have an excuse since you aren't feeling well physically or mentally. Still... That's definitely a bad mentality to have though, especially since you surround yourself with people that think the same and believe that it's okay to not give it their all since you aren't giving it your all. Next thing you know, the entire party is slacking, when they could be doing better, because they've been conditioned to believe it's okay to settle for a clear in content rather than a good clear.

So yes, you are a bad player if you not only have the means to be a better player, but are willingly choosing not to be better, and go above and beyond when doing your job.

Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
Lol, someone don't read everything. First, if you read back a few pages, you'll see I'm a tank who pushes my DPS as default, many times doing more DPS than the DPS themselves in PF. So...try again please.



At its basest, what I said is 100% true. Whether you like it or not. A healer's job is to heal, a tank's job is to tank, a DPS's job is to meet the DPS check and get the kill. In a standard PF or any DF, that's all you can expect of anyone, and getting mad at people for not doing more is idiotic on your part

The issue here is expecting that tanks do far more than any other role by default. Tank perfectly, pop CDs perfectly, do great DPS (even when tanking). Whereas people aren't expecting DPS to do similarly (perfect rotation, perfect CD usage, food, X-pots), and healers generally get a pass as well (due to having to now baby the tanks)

Its one thing to be with your static, or other people you know, and expect them to be the best tank/heal/DPS possible. Its another thing entirely to expect that out of randoms.
I didn't read back a few pages. I read what you posted recently since that's what was being discussed and because you replied back to my post. If you do actually push your DPS as a tank, then great. That's what you should be doing.

By definition, what you said is actually 100% true. You're right. However, things aren't simply black and white when it comes to a player's performance. Let me ask you this (and please don't lie, cause I'll know if you do).

Would you rather have a healer that simply heals 24/7 or would you rather have a healer that heals on top of doing DPS when they're not healing? Would you rather have a DPS that sticks to dealing damage 24/7 or would you rather have a DPS that also has cross-class abilities which help him survive longer as well, despite those abilities not being part of his job? Would you rather have a tank that's geared to the teeth well beyond what's required for any of our current content and has 1,000+ extra HP for padding or would you rather have a tank that has sacrificed that extra HP for additional STR to help the party DPS and push progress in end game content?

If you honestly believe that a healer is just a healer, a tank is just a tank, and a DPS is just a DPS, then you're an even bigger fool than I am. I'm certainly not expecting tanks to do more though. I'm expecting every role to do more. We come into FCOB, I want to see a DPS bringing food (and using X-Potions if necessary), using those perfect rotations they've had hours upon hours to practice, popping CDs appropriately to maximize their damage output, etc.

I want to see a tank doing more than just positioning and popping CDs to survive. You see a DPS coming near you and getting hit by the boss, and they're about to die? Don't just follow the ABCs and stick on the boss. Pop cover (if you're PLD, of course) and try to protect the DPS if you can. Go that extra mile and try to make sure he stays alive long enough so the healer can keep him up and you can keep fighting without losing someone.

Now, that's certainly not to say the tank should sacrifice themselves for the sake of the DPS, but I can't tell you how many times I've seen a PLD simply ignore an injured DPS right beside them and let them die. It's like once you reach end game content, PLD players completely forget they even have cover. I have saved actually quite a few players, DPS, tanks, and healers alike, when using this.

However, many parties are fine with having tanks that simply stand in the same spot the whole time and just keep the boss positioned properly while popping CDs to stay alive. Nothing more, nothing less. That, in my opinion, is just lazy and unacceptable... Especially if you have the gall to consider yourself a "good" player while not even using some of the skills available to you.

I don't see a problem with expecting any player to play to the best of their ability. If they're giving me less than their best, they're not only wasting their own time, but they're wasting mine as well. Do you honestly believe I think to myself, "Oh, it's just a DF group. I'll just give 60%." or something? I play as good as I can, regardless of the job I'm playing, or the company I'm with, which is exactly why I expect others to give me that same respect.

I couldn't care less if we're not in the same static. Don't come out there half-assing shit just because we don't know each other. You want to sit around with your thumb up your ass? Do it on your own time.