Curious Idea: Random Job Roulette

[Jonnycbad]

How about "Master Trials"? Reminscent of FFXI's Salvage and Nyzul Isle that had 'Pathos" where players received one or several penalties and restrictions. They would be Expert Trials and High Level Dungeons, but with random penalties and greater rewards.

Penalties could be one or more of the following, randomly generated at the start of the trial. They could be permanent for the run (more fun) or removable gradually as you progress(similar to Salvage), though that's less of a challenge and less fun

Examples of potential penalties:
Attributes Down (All attribute stats -15%).
Skill Speed -15%
Enemy attack speed +25%
Healing Received -15%
Damage Dealt -25%
Armor Slot locked (An equipment slot other than weapon or offhand is chosen at random, and unequiped, and cannot be re-equipped until after the dungeon)
Accessory Slot locked (Same as above, but for right side equipment other than offhand or Soulstone)
Soulstone Locked (Must play as your base class e.g. Lancer, Maurader etc)
Damage Received +25%
HP-15%
MP-15%
etc...

The penalties could be global (everyone gets the same penalty), class based (only healers could get the -MP one, only tanks could get the +damage taken one), or each player can get a completely random penalty(any penalty on anyone, for true randomness).


For winning, the reward could be:
Double the gil.
Tomes x 1.25
+1 slot to treasure pool (dungeon drops an extra item)

I think "Master Roulette' has an apt name, because if you're truly a master at your role, it should still be possible to do Shiva EX or Amdapor Keep Hard with Conjurers and a DPS without a Leg or Foot Armor, and a Gladiator with -15% HP. The penalties would make it fun I think. Maybe make it pre-form only, to foster high level, fine play. Also make it such that it can only be ATTEMPTED once, to prevent a group from abandoning and retrying in an attempt to re-roll the penalties until they get the least detrimental(if you attempt and abandon/leave without winning, your daily bonuses are forfeit).

[JillyBean]

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That OP reminded me of Salvage (FFXI), especially the last paragraph haha. Those rewards were pretty amazing though. I didn't get into it much, it wasn't my thing.

[Yumi_umi]

But then it'd give the devs another thing to worry about.
Ppl complain its impossible to win or, not enough dps, etc.
Ppl start suggesting dumb things that make ppl go like wtf mann y would u even think of that.
Sounds cool in theory but would be a nightmare in df with the current system of ffxiv.
Very little customization as ppl r somewhat cookie cutter build and will be punished if they try to build away from the meta.
Also the rewards better be something of worth or else it'll just be a one time run like the steps of faith for most ppl.

[KisaiTenshi]

What if you have a job unlocked, queue pops for that job (i'm assuming it tells you what you'll be playing before going in so you can switch to that job before entering) and then....it turns out you don't have the weapon for that job specifically in your inventory to switch to....or you do, but you don't have the proper equipment for that job and instead you're just using the weapon and running around naked?

Something to consider is you'd have to ensure having the equipment for each job you can possible get, currently in your on-hand inventory. Which means getting a system like this to work, may be a bit more complicated.

I've made this suggestion before in other threads regarding the duty roulette.

Basically a DF "Job roulette" option would just give a tick-box of "jobs to consider" based on the highest level gearset not missing parts.

So if you have a gearset for every job, but you're missing the relic weapon for the job, it won't consider that gearset. If you have multiple MH gears and sets for it, it will consider the one with the "optimal" (eg SCH would pick Mind, SMN would pick Int) equipment combination where all the gear is present.

Another solution is having it lock all the gear for which you've queued, so you can't remove the MH/OH gear from the armory while queued. Then it would just "auto-optimize" the gear for the job/class selected.

[MugenMugetsu]

Why not have it simply choose from one of your already saved gear sets? If you don't have a gear set saved for the class/job then the system wouldn't consider any class/job that you do not have a gear set saved for, but would simply pick from the available jobs/classes that you already have a gear set saved for and would only choose, from the choices available, any one that has all the necessary pieces? OP's idea sounds fun, however if the game were to select for me, say for example Mnk or Drg, I would just have to derp my way through the dungeon/trial as I never play those jobs. It would be a good learning experience, I think.

[Sida]

How about take a different approach for the whole "gear defines a a job." For the purpose of this particular game mode. When you queue to the random job dungeon when inside, the equipment slots, while empty, would have stats of minimal equipment piece the game has for your job level at the moment. So say you get randomed to use your level 27 thaumaturge, if you empty your gearslots, each of them will offer stats that represent normal white quality armor that level thaumaturge can wear. (Or for those harder content, youd get default values of exactly the gear requirement level gear) You can then equip better gear if you have any on you, but even if not, you have something passable, for the run.

[dekarguy]

I would be happy if I could just queue on multiple jobs for something. I have an ilvl qualified level 50 in all 3 roles, I want do complete something, say Brayflox HM, let me queue on all 3 roles and fit me in wherever there is a need since I can play all 3 well.

[Asheilin]

I would be happy if I could just queue on multiple jobs for something. I have an ilvl qualified level 50 in all 3 roles, I want do complete something, say Brayflox HM, let me queue on all 3 roles and fit me in wherever there is a need since I can play all 3 well.

THIS.
While the Master Roulette sounds good. I would just be happy to say "Que me as Brd, Nin, Whm, Sch, Smn" Have the que pop and go, "Oh nice, got ___" Switch jobs and go!

[tymora]

Salvage kept me in FFXI for 2 extra years...so much fun lol...(and pain)

[Ruri]

Thanks for the interesting idea! We've relayed this to the development team so they can have additional fuel when brainstorming new and fun challenges.

Thanks this sounds like an interesting idea for those with multiple 50s