Patch 2.57 please?

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

This is the first I've heard it mentioned that ilvl 130 will be "too high" for the expansion content...

The developer's mentioned at the NicoNico event that they weren't going to uncap poetics because ironworks was overpowered for the new content till about level 55. I'm kinda curious what level the law tome gear will be as that will be people's first real set of level 60 gear. I'm guessing pretty high.

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[Vespar]

Poetics cap keeps people subscribed.
We can get a dozen carbontwines and coats a week, but if they actually allow us to use them all, people will have full BiS in all jobs and unsubscribe for one month. Can't let that happen, or they'll stay gone and the game will die

Then there is the flip side, people will unsubscribe as they see fit anyways, many because they cant stand to be locked to one piece of poetics gear (or less) a week. I am currently falling in this slot. The only reason I haven't unsubbed, is because my static is still working on Final Coil on weekends.

[Vlady]

I don't believe the armory system is for having all bis jobs available to you. That is a silly argument for removal of the cap. The armory system is to be able to play different jobs then having to make new characters. If anything the armory system is too generous. You should not have any options to roll on gear running dungeons as a tank and gearing up a healer.

[EdgeFayth]

For me, keeping the poetics cap is not relevant at the moment they removed FcoB locks. People are already gearing their subs with FcoB stuff. People who cannot do FcoB are just waiting. This is unfair.

[MyKotoShi]

Add Au Ra pre-order campaign to this patch, those who registered the pre-order bonus code to the campaign site unlocked Au Ra early

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

For me, keeping the poetics cap is not relevant at the moment they removed FcoB locks. People are already gearing their subs with FcoB stuff. People who cannot do FcoB are just waiting. This is unfair.

Not really, they made World Of Darkness Uncapped too, along with Final Coil. If you don't want to do coil for whatever reason, you can gear your alts with demon gear.

Dreadwyrm gear is hard to obtain, Poetic gear is easy to obtain but your limited to 1 piece a week. That's the tradeoff. Seems fair to me.

[Ditto]

The Poetic cap really does need to be removed. There isn't a point in keeping it when everything will be irrelevant 5 or so levels into the expansion. And as others have said, all it's doing is acting as an annoyance to those who still want poetic pieces, especially those who have just returned from a break and haven't been there to cap every week since poetics came out. If not removed, it needs to be at least doubled, or just increased to 1300 a week so that someone can get a weapon a week if they wish. Right now, it's not doing anything for the game or it's players other than acting as a pointless block. So what if the gear will last up to level 55? People will level a bit faster than if they were using weaker gear sure, but for many people, end game is their scene, and I'm more than sure none of this will be relevant at Heavensward end game, which is where everyone will be at, at some point in time no matter how much they play.

Not really, they made World Of Darkness Uncapped too, along with Final Coil. If you don't want to do coil for whatever reason, you can gear your alts with demon gear.

Dreadwyrm gear is hard to obtain, Poetic gear is easy to obtain but your limited to 1 piece a week. That's the tradeoff. Seems fair to me.

Dreadwyrm gear is not that hard to obtain at all. The only parts that can be hard are T12 and T13 if you're pugging, but that's because you're pugging. A lot have 10 through 13 on farm weekly, and they can go at it as many times as they want, as long as they like, until they get what they want. The only real block to getting dreadwyrm gear is RNG. Players lack of ability to do certain things is not a block the game itself is forcing on you, capping the poetics on the other hand, is. And what tradeoff? A lot of the Dread gear is BiS, especially the weapons if you do not have a Zeta. If you throw nothing but Ironworks on yourself, your stats are going to be terribly optimized, whether you're wearing full i130 or not.

[Welsper59]

The Poetic cap really does need to be removed. There isn't a point in keeping it when everything will be irrelevant 5 or so levels into the expansion. And as others have said, all it's doing is acting as an annoyance to those who still want poetic pieces, especially those who have just returned from a break and haven't been there to cap every week since poetics came out. If not removed, it needs to be at least doubled, or just increased to 1300 a week so that someone can get a weapon a week if they wish. Right now, it's not doing anything for the game or it's players other than acting as a pointless block. So what if the gear will last up to level 55? People will level a bit faster than if they were using weaker gear sure, but for many people, end game is their scene, and I'm more than sure none of this will be relevant at Heavensward end game, which is where everyone will be at, at some point in time no matter how much they play.



Dreadwyrm gear is not that hard to obtain at all. The only parts that can be hard are T12 and T13 if you're pugging, but that's because you're pugging. A lot have 10 through 13 on farm weekly, and they can go at it as many times as they want, as long as they like, until they get what they want. The only real block to getting dreadwyrm gear is RNG. Players lack of ability to do certain things is not a block the game itself is forcing on you, capping the poetics on the other hand, is. And what tradeoff? A lot of the Dread gear is BiS, especially the weapons if you do not have a Zeta. If you throw nothing but Ironworks on yourself, your stats are going to be terribly optimized, whether you're wearing full i130 or not.

The difficulty is not the content itself, once you're on farm status, it's finding a competent group to do it with. That, IMO, is significantly harder than the content itself for at least 90% of the population that do not successfully do Coil raids lol.

Maybe it's just me, and I tend to believe I'm far from the "want want want" type of crowd, but given how close we are to expansion, and the fact that i130 is overkill for it, I really don't see why it needs to happen. Don't get me wrong, it'd be nice to feel strong for a little while... and to have for glamour purposes mostly, but the cap isn't a huge deal IMO right now. Maybe it's their way of disciplining their children (us) lol. Sort of like how you deal with a spoiled brat that just cries about wanting something they don't need (not saying you or anyone in particular is a spoiled brat, mind you). I think that'd be pretty funny if that were the case.

[EdgeFayth]

I confirm FcoB stuff is now rather easy to get. Well, I guess it depends on server, but I really have the feeling more and more people can farm FcoB, even in PUG (regarding the PF full of "FcoB farm party" on my server).


Another issue I can see with this poetics limit is the accumulation of tomestones-carbontwine-carboncoat.
Lets do a quick calculation. Assuming we want the highest ilvl possible, without doing FcoB nor relic quest.
We need to buy the i120 weapon (1300 poetics), head, gloves, boots (495 poetics each), chest, pant (825 poetics each), belt, choker, earrings, bracelet, two rings (375 poetics each). The total is 6685 poetics for the full set. That means 15 weeks. At the same time, in order to have all i130, you need to use 1 tomestone (for the weapon), 7 carbontwine and 4 carboncoat (second ring cannot be i130). In order to get all these things (assuming no hunt nor FcoB), you need 12 weeks (1 weekly 24-men raid quest a week). So you accumulate 3 other tomestone-twine-coat you cannot use. The problem is even bigger for people hunting or farming FcoB. I personnally have 1 tomestone, 3 twine and 2 coat as spare, and I am not really farming.
Poetics cap must be removed, or at least increased. Meaningless to keep it at 450/week, because we are accumulating upgrade items for nothing.

[Welsper59]

Poetics cap must be removed, or at least increased. Meaningless to keep it at 450/week, because we are accumulating upgrade items for nothing.

I just take the initiative and stop acquiring them when that becomes the case. Like tomes began dropping from ST, people were all over that... for first couple months. Now, they're stockpiling and people generally pass on them. The same thing happening to the next tier isn't exactly unusual. While I'm as guilty as any other person for hoarding, I at least have some willpower to determine when to stop overstocking specific goods lol.