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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    The consequences of the parser will be brought out in all dungeon content.
    This would be what I mean by lack of perspective. There is already parser-use in Primals,DRs,Trials, pretty much all content. Where are the consequences currently and why aren't they affecting you and other people en mass?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Massterchef View Post
    This would be what I mean by lack of perspective. There is already parser-use in Primals,DRs,Trials, pretty much all content. Where are the consequences currently and why aren't they affecting you and other people en mass?
    It is still against the tos to admit to the usage of parsers and 3rd party tools, the inclusion of a official parser would likely remove that restriction for at least parsers, and invite the PC crowd to make improved parsers or other 3rd party tools that work with the parser.

    Also the console audience is not small. There are a lot of people that do not use it, as well as many who do not want to risk using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    It is still against the tos to admit to the usage of parsers and 3rd party tools
    That's lip service and you know it. Nearly every person who streams streams with a parser visible, including every major FC. People discuss parsers in chat (party, linkshell, FC, hell even shout) all the time. And I've yet to hear of a single person besides the one person who started the whole "OMG PARSERS ARE ILLEGALZ" craze that has been reprimanded in any way, shape or form for using or admitting to use a parser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaft View Post
    That's lip service and you know it. Nearly every person who streams streams with a parser visible, including every major FC. People discuss parsers in chat (party, linkshell, FC, hell even shout) all the time. And I've yet to hear of a single person besides the one person who started the whole "OMG PARSERS ARE ILLEGALZ" craze that has been reprimanded in any way, shape or form for using or admitting to use a parser.
    They don't exactly care about parsers by themselves if people don't misuse them, that's why. It's low on the priorities list of actions to take. It is however, a tool the GMs have leverage with to use to fight said players acts of harassment and bad behavior if it involves their use of it.

    An old example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    That's also not a good example considering it was a year ago and they admitted to giving out a lot of early bans. They are far more lenient on the issue. Got another example these past 3 months?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Massterchef View Post
    That's also not a good example considering it was a year ago and they admitted to giving out a lot of early bans. They are far more lenient on the issue. Got another example these past 3 months?
    Nope, but you can test it in-game for us if you really believe the things you claim or imply. The rest of us would love to find out what happens, be it nothing at all or something like a ban. Do something similar to that old example, where you gloat and somewhat mock another person to get the GM involved. Then you'll have the opportunity to prove parsing means nothing. Admit to the GM about the use and that you are fully aware that they, from what you believe, will not have the right to do anything bad just because of your use of a third party program that parses. It's the same situation that would get you involved with the GM, so we'd know there wouldn't be too many unknown variables at play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    Nope, but you can test it in-game for us if you really believe the things you claim or imply. The rest of us would love to find out what happens, be it nothing at all or something like a ban. Do something similar to that old example, where you gloat and somewhat mock another person to get the GM involved. Then you'll have the opportunity to prove parsing means nothing. Admit to the GM about the use and that you are fully aware that they, from what you believe, will not have the right to do anything bad just because of your use of a third party program that parses. It's the same situation that would get you involved with the GM, so we'd know there wouldn't be too many unknown variables at play.
    In what you're asking them to do, it's not the parser that would get them banned... it's using it to harass/degrade other players that would get them banned. =/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    Nope, but you can test it in-game for us
    Or you can just to go the DPS sub forum and see how many parses are posted on a daily basis with no repercussions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaft View Post
    That's lip service and you know it. Nearly every person who streams streams with a parser visible, including every major FC. People discuss parsers in chat (party, linkshell, FC, hell even shout) all the time. And I've yet to hear of a single person besides the one person who started the whole "OMG PARSERS ARE ILLEGALZ" craze that has been reprimanded in any way, shape or form for using or admitting to use a parser.
    I know this would require liberal use of the paint tool to back up for "lip service"

    It still doesn't change that the frequency and prevalence of it would rise sharply, along with abuse of it as a social tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    They don't exactly care about parsers by themselves if people don't misuse them, that's why. It's low on the priorities list of actions to take. It is however, a tool the GMs have leverage with to use to fight said players acts of harassment and bad behavior if it involves their use of it.

    An old example.
    That's the exact image that I was talking about in my post. I've seen literally nothing beyond it of anybody being reprimanded. Ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    I know this would require liberal use of the paint tool to back up for "lip service"

    It still doesn't change that the frequency and prevalence of it would rise sharply, along with abuse of it as a social tool.
    What do you describe "abuse" as? Is abuse me telling you that you're doing bad DPS? Is it me removing you because you aren't up to minimum standards for the content? I don't consider either of those as abuse. In fact, the only kind of "abuse" I can think of is somebody being extremely rude and assholeish to somebody else because of their DPS, and I've nearly never seen that happen on ANY game, even ones where nearly everybody uses a parsing tool (such as WoW).
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