Dark knights and progression

[Risvertasashi]

As long as Square doesn't botch the job completely our PLD will move to DRK. WAR could already MT the whole FCOB progression (which only really means T13) without any problem so we will be fine.

I would like to know what groups did t13 progression with a war MT.

Farm, perhaps, and those one-off "Look what a war can do!" videos I can see. But actual progression, pre-echo especially? I'd like to know who, if anyone, has actually done that.

Back to the main topic: PLD is the turtle tank and will likely get more turtle abilities with the expansion. I think it has a good chance of staying as the go to MT for progression. But, once more, we can't actually know until we have specifics.

[Alphras]

I would like to know what groups did t13 progression with a war MT.

Farm, perhaps, and those one-off "Look what a war can do!" videos I can see. But actual progression, pre-echo especially? I'd like to know who, if anyone, has actually done that.

Back to the main topic: PLD is the turtle tank and will likely get more turtle abilities with the expansion. I think it has a good chance of staying as the go to MT for progression. But, once more, we can't actually know until we have specifics.

Well we did. There is not really much of a difference between WAR and PLD MT in T13, except that the Healers need to know how to handle Holmgang, if you want to use to cheese one flatten/flare breath combo in the first phase, and that the WAR has it easier managing cooldowns later on.

Edit: There is no big difference between healing a good WAR and a good PLD in general anyway (except HG vs Holmgang of course). PLD taking less damage is a huge misconception. It all depends on the timing of the fight.

The main problem for WAR is that Flatten happens every 50s-ish, as opposed to every 60. This forces the WAR into a situation where he cant rotate Veng -> Thrill + Conv w/ IB and has to use other CDs (including Infuriate) very carefully. The WAR will undoubtedly take more damage from Flattens because of this, on top of PLD being able to ignore 1 Flatten entirely, so for progression (and damage not being an issue) PLD would be the superior choice.

We never ran into this problem, since we tank swapped for each flatten in the first phase, which made it a joke concerning tank damage. But you are right, the CD management in a 50s window is more difficult for a WAR.

You can also ignore one flatten/flare breath combo with Holmgang, but your healers need to know what they are doing.

[Gildarts]

I would like to know what groups did t13 progression with a war MT.

Farm, perhaps, and those one-off "Look what a war can do!" videos I can see. But actual progression, pre-echo especially? I'd like to know who, if anyone, has actually done that.

again this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-PY-YQtUYA

A skilled group in Excalibur they use WAR MT for progression

[Risvertasashi]

again this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-PY-YQtUYA

A skilled group in Excalibur they use WAR MT for progression

That is pretty impressive. That WAR was pretty awesome with his CDs, although, that second flatten/flare combo was cutting it very close all the same.

I don't disagree that world first elite players will stick to WAR/PLD. But they may find that DRK usurps one of those.

I don't know. We have several weeks before the new raids become available; it's fast enough for HC players, or just with HC leanings, to easy grind up the class. Some of the finer points of the class's techniques might not come out for a while but, if the class is solid, it's plenty of time for leading raiders to pick it up and toss it into the mix.