Dark knights and progression

[ks3v3n]

dunno if any1 knows about this

seems like they are op early on, if their skills go live like that and the balancing takes some time (like it did with nin)

[Carstien]

dunno if any1 knows about this

seems like they are op early on, if their skills go live like that and the balancing takes some time (like it did with nin)

Read the big red letters going down. The first letter of every attack and cooldown name.

[Alphras]

It is even spelled out at the bottom.

[Gildarts]

I would like to know what groups did t13 progression with a war MT.

Farm, perhaps, and those one-off "Look what a war can do!" videos I can see. But actual progression, pre-echo especially? I'd like to know who, if anyone, has actually done that.

again this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-PY-YQtUYA

A skilled group in Excalibur they use WAR MT for progression

[dspguy]

DRK might turn tank roles on its head. Think back to FFXI and utsusemi. Tank and spank was done. SE had to go out of their way to find ways to break blink tanking.

I don't disagree that world first elite players will stick to WAR/PLD. But they may find that DRK usurps one of those.

[Rhaja]

Just taking a wild guess here, but I'm starting to think that DRK/PLD may take the cake depending on a few things. There's the possible chance that DRK will have the better magic def, and with their focus on MP usage it'll limit the need for TP boost and stay focused on Ballad. Another thing is wholly dependent on what kind of debuff they get. Also Sword Oath, in long fights, supposedly does more damage than a WAR out of defiance. This plus cover and the new wall ability, along with a riot blade combo, may very well give them the edge. Not to mention the tossing around of Stone Skin to help conserve healer MP.

Side note; I know it's not something considered often, but considering the size of their swords, it's possible they could get blunt crushing damage as their type, giving them synergy with MNK. A sword that size honestly wouldn't need an edge to be effective; just gravity and momentum. Plus, if they do have better magic damage mitigation, MNK's could make them even more resilient while helping increase the damage.

[Risvertasashi]

again this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-PY-YQtUYA

A skilled group in Excalibur they use WAR MT for progression

That is pretty impressive. That WAR was pretty awesome with his CDs, although, that second flatten/flare combo was cutting it very close all the same.

I don't disagree that world first elite players will stick to WAR/PLD. But they may find that DRK usurps one of those.

I don't know. We have several weeks before the new raids become available; it's fast enough for HC players, or just with HC leanings, to easy grind up the class. Some of the finer points of the class's techniques might not come out for a while but, if the class is solid, it's plenty of time for leading raiders to pick it up and toss it into the mix.

[stoxastic]

DRKs need to be busted in one way or another to replace PLD or WAR in 3.0 progression.

DRKs either need to have an excellent mitigation suite that rivals PLD's (Rampart, Sentinel, Bulwark, HALLOWED GROUND, blocking, STR down debuff) or the utility that beats the offensive and defensive utility that WAR provides (Storm's Eye, Storm's Path, high DPS while still being able to tank effectively).

Maybe if they give DRK Dragon Kick or something it might enable NIN + DRG progression comps.

[Carstien]

I can picture DRK having an int debuff, or a magic resistance down debuff on one of its combos. Obviously they would clash with mnk or Brd respectively, much like storm's eye does with nin, but it would be a nice way to give them value in an already established meta. If given the choice I would assume the int debuff as mag res down would be a little on the over powered side.

I can't see them having more magic resistance, our current ranks have a lot of that already with both gear and cooldownS. A magic damage combo or aoe though...that is a likely possibility. This of course would make Drk + war valid for something Like T11, where the pld holds his own through the merits of the str debuff and superior defensive capabilities.

In the end though, I have a feeling SE will take steps with the next ten levels on our current tanks to make any of the three combinations, doubles obviously excluded, valid for all content.