DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[MythToken]

Disagreeing because "you will use dps meters to kick" is an incredibly black and white statement, that's why we're butting heads a bit. I mean dps typically isn't even an issue when we're talking 4 man content or CT unless it's blatantly obvious that they're auto attack afking or standing idle, there's more than enough buffer from the rest of the group to make up for it (although this also because 4 man dungeons are really undertuned on release).

I am not saying you would use it soley for that. But maybe Asierid would.

Again if you saw your own dps, and were in a group of people you raid with consistantly you can just tell each other your numbers.

I agree with you that something will eventually happen. I just think phasing it in would be better than implementing it where you can see everyone's number.
And then seeing how that improves or does not improve player quality.

What if to start, they let you see everyone's dps on a training dummy. Then at least you could account for buffs, ect.

[RiceisNice]

I am not saying you would use it soley for that. But maybe Asierid would.

Again if you saw your own dps, and were in a group of people you raid with consistantly you can just tell each other your numbers.

Using a check with your static is a pretty small scenario though. My side is, I don't want to defend people who do poorly as their role as dps. Implementing almost anything into this game is a double edged sword as far as the community is concerned (lock outs and vote kick for example).

And how would I be using it differently from Asieird if I used a dps meter to kick people for doing poor dps?

Also all the end game raiding in this game literally = mechanics > than all

I also disagree with this, at least for FCoB. It may have been true with SCoB (which is why I hate those encounters), but FCoB is pressing your party to do their jobs well. Seeing more than 5 bennus or four megaflares in phase 1 T13 when we have 10% echo is incredibly frustrating, seeing healers who can't catch preys or mitigate me for flatten makes me go "AAAAAH!!!!"

[MythToken]

Using a check with your static is a pretty small scenario though. My side is, I don't want to defend people who do poorly as their role as dps. Implementing almost anything into this game is a double edged sword as far as the community is concerned (lock outs and vote kick for example).

And how would I be using it differently from Asieird if I used a dps meter to kick people for doing poor dps?

Like you said, you don't need a meter to kick for poor dps, you can tell by rotations ect. My point being that the community as a whole would suffer from people who would abuse a feature we don't need. And no one would learn from it. I am not implying you would abuse it, and that it isn't useful. I just disagree with implementing it before personal dps meters.

[RiceisNice]

Like you said, you don't need a meter to kick for poor dps, you can tell by rotations ect. My point being that the community as a whole would suffer from people who would abuse a feature we don't need. And no one would learn from it. I am not implying you would abuse it, and that it isn't useful. I just disagree with implementing it before personal dps meters.

Well the end result is that I'm still kicking them for doing bad dps because they're messing up rotations. I mean in the end people will still do this anyway with or without meters for really any reason. I wouldn't consider "giving them more ammo" to be the case if they were to implement meters of sort.

[Darra]

Like you said, you don't need a meter to kick for poor dps, you can tell by rotations ect. My point being that the community as a whole would suffer from people who would abuse a feature we don't need. And no one would learn from it. I am not implying you would abuse it, and that it isn't useful. I just disagree with implementing it before personal dps meters.

People abuse alcohol, junk food, the internet, sex, various drugs and of course caffeine. The community is suffering as a result. Let's ban them all.... See how stupid this sounds? Now apply that to your own argument. If it can be abused, it will be abused, if it can be broken, it will be broken. So let's just ban everything "for the greater good".