DPS display could easily be solved with a system already in game.

[MythToken]

You can compare your dps to those who are willing to share their number.

It is very obvious that you want to use the dps meter to kick others, you have no interest in your own dps number in comparison.
(stop pretending like you care)

[Raikki]

I suspect you want to see everyones so you can kick people out of groups.

So what if he does? If a healer keeps letting people die to survivable things, would you not kick the healer? If the tank never picks up adds, would you not kick the tank? But if a DPS does terrible damage, it's suddenly a sin to want to kick them? There is nothing elitist about expecting people to pull their weight in a fight. If you decided you want to play DPS, your job is to do a reasonable amount of damage because bosses don't kill themselves and DPS checks permeate the game. The people you play with have a right to know if you're not doing that job. There are 7 of them and 1 of you and nobody is entitled to impose upon 7 other people to carry their dead weight if they don't want to.

[MythToken]

So what if he does? If a healer keeps letting people die to survivable things, would you not kick the healer? If the tank never picks up adds, would you not kick the tank? But if a DPS does terrible damage, it's suddenly a sin to want to kick them? There is nothing elitist about expecting people to pull their weight in a fight. If you decided you want to play DPS, your job is to do a reasonable amount of damage because bosses don't kill themselves and DPS checks permeate the game. The people you play with have a right to know if you're not doing that job. There are 7 of them and 1 of you and nobody is entitled to impose upon 7 other people to carry their dead weight if they don't want to.

He can think that, but he just needs to come out and say it.

Again.

Camp #1 wants dps for their personal info.
Camp #2 wants it to kick

You will not get #2

[RiceisNice]

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It still does nothing when people are not willing to communicate, and you're hitting barriers or otherwise have unneeded burden because people don't feel like/can't play their job properly.

I'm not even trying to hide it, I will kick players out of my farming parties if they aren't performing their dps role well, but I don't even need a parsers for that because I can straight up tell from their rotations, animations, buffs and debuffs. I'd kick a healer for not doing their job well, I'd kick a tank for not doing their job well (both of which leads to wipes or otherwise a hard time), and I will kick a dps that does not perform their job well, which at best leads to a longer fight and at worse, a wipe to enrage, but again, I'm not going to carry people who can't be assed to take advice or shape up their role.

The problem with not having a way to track damage is that it's not openly obvious until you hit those checks, or you've raided/leaded long enough to see this problem. It's very easy for me to tell when our dps on a titan EX farm is slow (with all things considered, because I set ilvl to 100 for a farming party and we have 5 dps) because he's at 93% when he does turmult.

[MythToken]

I understand why you want the meter. And yes it would accomplish the things you want.

But I just disagree with it. And having the meter on a dummy would still be an improvement over no meter at all.

[Ghasto]

He can think that, but he just needs to come out and say it.

I did say it, any party leader is well within their right to remove a player that is not playing to their standard.
In the case of healers and tanks it's obvious, with DPS it is not, this is where parsing comes into play.
Why don't you petition SE to also remove the party list from showing to anyone but the healers so nobody knows that they're not healing? or hide the enmity list from anyone who is not a tank?

[SpookyGhost]

Camp #1 wants dps for their personal info.
Camp #2 wants it to kick

I hope that, if Camp #1 gets their wish, that it leads to improvement of DPS so that less people from Camp #2 feel the need to be able to kick others for their DPS. As long as DPS checks exist in the game, it's going to be a problem if you're the guy causing the failure of those checks or other people are being forced to go above and beyond to carry you through it.

[MythToken]

Ok, my point still stands above.

And SpookyGhost brings up a good point. Give the sub optimal players a way to know they are bad, so they can practice.
Without being publicly shamed.

This will in large part improve the player base.

[Asierid]

He can think that, but he just needs to come out and say it.

Again.

Camp #1 wants dps for their personal info.
Camp #2 wants it to kick

You will not get #2

So let's hold back the game because people don't want their feelings hurt?

Boo hoo. Step up and take advice and we wouldn't even be having this discussion. There are people out there that want to better themselves and theorycraft rotations and DPS numbers within a raid, but those things cannot even be discussed because SE took the easy way out and is banning everyone discussing numbers to begin with.

Everyone else is being punished because some (few) people cannot handle being called out by some random asshole over the internet. Give me a break. Don't half ass the parser. Give us one that works with the group/raid, or don't even do it and hide behind the pathetic "drama" excuse like they always do when this comes up. There is no way around it.

Do your job right, or don't do it at all.

[FrejyaAthenes]

I did say it, any party leader is well within their right to remove a player that is not playing to their standard.
In the case of healers and tanks it's obvious, with DPS it is not, this is where parsing comes into play.
Why don't you petition SE to also remove the party list from showing to anyone but the healers so nobody knows that they're not healing? or hide the enmity list from anyone who is not a tank?

Ideally isn't that there to let the other party members know when to pull back a bit? Least that's what I've done. I mean, I get what you're saying, but that sounds like more of a detriment than not having a dps meter.