Should Alexander hard drop highest item level gear?

[SDaemon]

Kill 5000 rabbits vs 1 beastman. The Tome gear is locked behind a low weekly cap for a reason on top of the once a week lock out for the upgrade. Raid content always has superior gear for the large majority of the raid's life. Then the major patch reset happens and they are back to having the superior gear for several more months.

[Gardes]

I don't much care for the gear in Coil. I'm managing fine, for the most part, without it and when I finish relic I'll have iL123 with not even one piece of Coil gear. What I DO care for in Coil is it's story. I've been wanting to experience it for a while (damnable Twintania won't give me a pass. >,< ) but haven't wanted to deal with any of the attitude that came with those early Coil groups. An attitude that's, sadly, been bleeding into every other bit of content ever since. This is why you don't see as many people clearing Coil as you do the Japanese servers, the corrosive attitudes of the 'best' US players. An attitude that's too clearly illustrated in this thread...

I'm sorry but why are you posting here in a thread about alex hm? You've already won. You're getting what you want with the easy mode alex (and probably the coils when they said they're nerfing it further in 3.0). Nevermind the people that enjoy having to tackle a challenge to get to the story, they already got the shaft with the easy mode request because the first time they'll see the raid story will have to be through the easy mode since it'll likely be a gear gate for the hard mode. I guess they don't matter, right? But why are you also meddling with the alex hm discussion? It shouldn't even be your concern anymore since you only care about the story?

By the way, it's not the small percentage coil clearers' job to increase that percentage. Especially when the majority of players loves to tell them that "they don't matter".

[Eidolon]

Kill 5000 rabbits vs 1 beastman. The Tome gear is locked behind a low weekly cap for a reason on top of the once a week lock out for the upgrade. Raid content always has superior gear for the large majority of the raid's life. Then the major patch reset happens and they are back to having the superior gear for several more months.

Over exaggeration does not suit your arguement.

Expert roulette gives 75 Poetics per day. 40 minutes each. Capped within 6 days.
Coil takes 1 hour once mastered, and multiple hours per week to learn for many.

At best, you could argue 6 rabbits to 1 beastman. but this subject is getting slightly off course now.

[SDaemon]

Over exaggeration does not suit your arguement.

Expert roulette gives 75 Poetics per day. 40 minutes each. Capped within 6 days.
Coil takes 1 hour once mastered, and multiple hours per week to learn for many.

At best, you could argue 6 rabbits to 1 beastman. but this subject is getting slightly off course now.

I made an silly exaggeration because the concept of comparing it to killing a beast-man and rabbits was silly.

[Eidolon]

I made an silly exaggeration because the concept of comparing it to killing a beast-man and rabbits was silly.

But you're missing the original point of the "Silly" (I kinda like it 'cause it makes sense) arguement. And that was that the players clearing coil DO need the gear. To make their runs easier. To make the next step of each fight more consistent. To progress. Just because you don't need it to clear, doesn't mean it isn't something you need to progress.

Just like it would be silly not to give gear for those completing dungouns. They need gear to clear dungouns. But does it need to be -just as strong- as the gear that comes from raiding?

[SDaemon]

But you're missing the original point of the "Silly" (I kinda like it 'cause it makes sense) arguement. And that was that the players clearing coil DO need the gear. To make their runs easier. To make the next step of each fight more consistent. To progress. Just because you don't need it to clear, doesn't mean it isn't something you need to progress.

Just like it would be silly not to give gear for those completing dungouns. They need gear to clear dungouns. But does it need to be -just as strong- as the gear that comes from raiding?

They don't NEED the gear. They want the gear. There is a difference. If it was needed then progression through t13 would have been impossible with lower gear and that has already been proven not to be the case. And even further still a player having i130 Ironworks gear doesn't suddenly make the i130 Dreadwyrm gear lose its meaning. It is still Dreadwrym gear and the prestige of having down the content is still there.

[Eidolon]

They don't NEED the gear.[...] If it was needed then progression through t13 would have been impossible with lower gear and that has already been proven not to be the case,

How often do you see peopel clearing with that level of gear? How often do you see people trying to -go in- or even -make- that level of gear? It's a very rare, very SMALL percentage of people that will go for full pentamelded i110 gear. If your arguement is that "Well this group could do it with X!" then I could argue, you don't need 8 people for T5. But are you going to go with just 4? Are you going to go with a full team of SCH + Marauders because Xeno did it?

Another fun fact: you DO need i130 gear for raiding now. Because without it, you can't enter. That i110/T10, i115/T11, i120/12, and i123/T13 aren't going to magically reach that number on their own Meanwhile there is not a single piece of content outside of FCOB that requires anything above i110.

[SDaemon]

How often do you see peopel clearing with that level of gear? How often do you see people trying to -go in- or even -make- that level of gear? It's a very rare, very SMALL percentage of people that will go for full pentamelded i110 gear. If your arguement is that "Well this group could do it with X!" then I could argue, you don't need 8 people for T5. But are you going to go with just 4? Are you going to go with a full team of SCH + Marauders because Xeno did it?

Another fun fact: you DO need i130 gear for raiding now. Because without it, you can't enter. That i110/T10, i115/T11, i120/12, and i123/T13 aren't going to magically reach that number on their own Meanwhile there is not a single piece of content outside of FCOB that requires anything above i110.

You still don't need the drops. You can easily make do with Ironworks gear and WoD gear.

[Teuciont]

I made an silly exaggeration because the concept of comparing it to killing a beast-man and rabbits was silly.

The comparison was more or less spot on. There's a pretty drastic difference between being able to maim something that poses no challenge and something that's on more than equal footing with you. The fact that you're able to receive the same reward for killing any amount of metaphorical rabbits would imply that you're on the same level as someone who can slay a Beastman.

[SDaemon]

The comparison was more or less spot on. There's a pretty drastic difference between being able to maim something that poses no challenge and something that's on more than equal footing with you. The fact that you're able to receive the same reward for killing any amount of metaphorical rabbits would imply that you're on the same level as someone who can slay a Beastman.

Not really. How is Coils vs Tome grinding anything like killing a beastman vs a rabbit? T10 and T11 are no more difficult than Shiva X or even Odin. But that comparison ranks them above them.