Should Alexander hard drop highest item level gear?

[Galdous]

It always puzzled me as to why SE allowed purchased gear to be the same item level as bahamut coils when considering risk vs reward that has always been a staple in MMO's. I understand that range is an issue in drops and sometimes people have very bad luck but I hope the new tomes do not let you buy the same item level gear that drops in Alexander raids. At minimum only let you aquire the new high end tomes from alexander hard mode only.

You should not be able to churn out easy 20 minute dungeons for tomes that let you purchase gear on par with a much harder raid requiring more time and energy. Even casual people I know always managed to get far into the bahamut coil runs.

[RiceisNice]

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On release (2.4), You could only get Ilvl 130 drops from FCoB. Carbontwine/coat only dropped in FCoB. In 2.5, carboncoat was made available through WoD (albeit weekly), This is allowing content to get progressively easier as time passes and opens it up to a broader range of players. We're at the point of the game where FCoB is more than 4 months old, and 3.0 is right around the corner.

The higher end tomestones also drop in fairly small amounts, on top of the weekly lockout that it takes time to even gear up from those anyway. I can't even gear up anything past my secondary class (tanks) before 3.0 rolls because of the cap, and I've been playing since 2.2, capping my tomestonse every week.

[Wobi]

On release (2.4), You could only get Ilvl 130 drops from FCoB. Carbontwine/coat only dropped in FCoB. In 2.5, carboncoat was made available through WoD (albeit weekly), This is allowing content to get progressively easier as time passes and opens it up to a broader range of players. We're at the point of the game where FCoB is more than 4 months old, and 3.0 is right around the corner.

The staggered system worked perfectly and they should very well stick with it, OP seems to want to lock out decent gear to anyone but the most elite of the elite.

[HaiHai]

The staggered system worked perfectly and they should very well stick with it, OP seems to want to lock out decent gear to anyone but the most elite of the elite.

You can acquire 130 upgrade items without even having to see the final turn of FCoB. How is that the "Elite if the Elite"? Even extremely casual raid groups will down bosses before the following patch.

Instead of thinking about locking out gear to the elite, how about locking out raid level gear to people who actually raid. It makes no sense that someone can get a raid iL 130 set of gear without ever setting foot inside of Coil.

To make matters worse, in most cases, the poetics upgraded gear can be better than the equivalent gear piece from coil, devaluing further the incentive to actually kill the bosses and do the raid content. Tome gear should be supplementary gear used to help upgrade and fill in pieces that you haven't managed to acquire yet. By no means should it ever be best in slot.

If you worried about casual players never being able to do the raids to see them tomes and get the gear, than that is what the whole point of moving raids into duty finder and giving them echo buff is for.

[RiceisNice]

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Because we're at the end of the content cycle. I've brought this up in my own post if you've skipped over it. When FCoB came out (in 2.4), the only way you could get ilvl130 items (whether it be dreadwyrm or augmented) was only through FCoB. It was only until 2.5 that they made augmented obtainable outside of FCoB, and even then that was staggered to only be acessories, body pieces 3 weeks later, then allow the ilvl 120 weapons to be obtained without touching FCoB. If you're against the idea that obtaining gear or getting stronger as the content gets older, then I'd disagree with you complete.y

Whether it's BiS or not is a completely different issue because of stat weights and the itemization on some of the pieces (esp for classes like BRD and SMN). Some augmented pieces are better than dreadwyrm, some dreadwyrm pieces are better than augmentation (and hell, some of them are straight up bad compared to demon or even crafted)

[HaiHai]

Because we're at the end of the content cycle. I've brought this up in my own post if you've skipped over it. When FCoB came out (in 2.4), the only way you could get ilvl130 items (whether it be dreadwyrm or augmented) was only through FCoB. It was only until 2.5 that they made augmented obtainable outside of FCoB, and even then that was staggered to only be acessories, body pieces 3 weeks later, then allow the ilvl 120 weapons to be obtained without touching FCoB. If you're against the idea that obtaining gear or getting stronger as the content gets older, then I'd disagree with you complete.y

I skipped over nothing. The whole point of my post was to say that you should not be able to obtain 130 upgrade tomes outside of Coil. To which, you and others would suggest that that would make it too hard for casuals or that it makes it hard to upgrade your gear, and I reminded that the whole point of adding coil to duty finder and giving it echo was to do those things already. Making 130 gear obtainable without even going inside Coil is unnecessary and ridiculous.

In order to obtain raid level gear, you should have to raid.

[Galdous]

I am all for gradual weakening of raids and even at the end period before the expansion. The issue I feel is the uncapped version of tomes should be only able to be aquired when the content is most relevant and only in the hard mode of the raid. Allow the lesser tomes to be freely aquired in dungeons and the new version of CT but alexander should be the only way to aquire the best tomes until the first round of nerfs hit the raid.

[RiceisNice]

I am all for gradual weakening of raids and even at the end period before the expansion. The issue I feel is the uncapped version of tomes should be only able to be aquired when the content is most relevant and only in the hard mode of the raid. Allow the lesser tomes to be freely aquired in dungeons and the new version of CT but alexander should be the only way to aquire the best tomes until the first round of nerfs hit the raid.

But... the uncapped tomes only give the weathered/unweathered gear... Why do you want to lock ilvl 100 tomestones behind ilvl 130 content? Unless you meant the poetics, but you're still locking inferior items behind a "higher" tiered content; Ironworks are only ilvl 120, and you cant get it to 130 unless you get stuff out of raid content anyway, on top of the ilvl 120 weapons requiring a tomestone that's also locked in coil.

[lyndwyrm]

-snip- but alexander should be the only way to aquire the best tomes until the first round of nerfs hit the raid.

I respectfully disagree.

Edit: Ok, I really can't just leave it at that. With the 20 ilvl gap between tome sets right now, by only dropping the top level tome in the hardest raid, it would primarily prevent new players from gearing to a sufficiently high level to get into the raids, at all. Currently, if a newer player farmed out tomes for several weeks, then they should have competitive enough gear that a raid group could take them. If players that were not doing raids had absolutely no access to i120+ gear, then it would only make them even less desirable to step into raid level content.

[ElieDavion]

I am all for gradual weakening of raids and even at the end period before the expansion. The issue I feel is the uncapped version of tomes should be only able to be aquired when the content is most relevant and only in the hard mode of the raid. Allow the lesser tomes to be freely aquired in dungeons and the new version of CT but alexander should be the only way to aquire the best tomes until the first round of nerfs hit the raid.

the new version of ct in heavensward is alexander story mode also it is very selfish to lock everyone out wich isnt at that standart of playing