Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Davester]

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hmm let's see,regarding the wasting other people's time thingie,please realize that not everyone has much free time,i know(and play)with alot of people that can only free about 10 hours a week max for games,which are meant to be fun,consider the person with those 10 hours a week,give it 15 minutes for queue to pop,now,a person that knows what to do makes things faster,even if they do wipe on the same mechanics you wipe on(which in t9 without a guide is pretty much every single one,twice or thrice on some even if you stop making last time's mistake every single time) it takes less time because that person now understands what the guide was saying,and can avoid the wipe next time,but a person with no knowledge will end up costing people alot of time explaining what happened to them(which frankly if you are all for the learn myself you don't want)or rightfully call you a prick for not listening to what they said,in doing that you not only ruined your "learn it yourself experience" you also wasted 7 other people's mostly limited time they set aside for fun on boring,frustrating wipes because one person decided they shouldn't watch a guide.
also if your group isn't filling,first i have to repeat,that DOES NOT give you the right to be a liability to other people,consider trying at a different time,ask you friends for help,find people with the same interest and make a static(and never worry about filling a group again)be creative,just because you probably will never meet those 7 people again doesn't mean you get to just go in and cause them all endless wipes and frustration

[Coris]

Isnt "My PF didnt fill up" the very evidence that none want to do your way ? Why keep wasting other's time ?

Why "keep wasting"? I only went once so far (it was a bit late for EU too) with just one try until ~65%. Right after that the mindless pulling started instead of like... asking to abandon.

Other stuff is in my post under yours. I am typing with my phone and I think my reaction time is quite off. Considering to sleep now anyways.

[Elmeron]

I question whether you have even tried and just spout off "I learn differently " as a lame ass excuse.

What is your problem? Seriously, you need to just accept that not everyone learns like you do and no amount of replies is going to make me agree with you (especially when you repeatedly call me a liar, seriously, you're beyond rude). Go foul up someone else's mood with your toxicity.

[Discordia]

Maybe they lash out, maybe they just leave. The carried players, still unable to get their clears come to the forums and post things like: "Increase penalty timer for leaving an instance. Community is toxic. I can't get a group. Nerf this fight. Game is full of elitists."

What about a trial that cannot be avoided by those that haven't yet cleared to progress in the main story? What about the fact that there is no penalty? The fact that people just leave without saying anything and leave before the timer has even ticked a few seconds into the trial? If that isn't elitism (I'm beyond this, I shouldn't have to deal with this), then I don't know what is. If you want to get roulette rewards, then put on your big boy pants and see through it, or at the least make a serious effort and leave if it's really bad. In my experience, that hasn't happen, as people just bail out right away.

[Purrfectstorm]

What about a trial that cannot be avoided by those that haven't yet cleared to progress in the main story? What about the fact that there is no penalty? The fact that people just leave without saying anything and leave before the timer has even ticked a few seconds into the trial? If that isn't elitism (I'm beyond this, I shouldn't have to deal with this), then I don't know what is. If you want to get roulette rewards, then put on your big boy pants and see through it, or at the least make a serious effort and leave if it's really bad. In my experience, that hasn't happen, as people just bail out right away.

What you're responding to has nothing to do with my OP and I think it's wrong on a couple of points:

1) There is a penalty for leaving a duty such as a trial (30 min). There used to be a thing where you could leave without penalty if someone was still watching a cutscene but SE fixed this. That aside I don't think penalties have the impact some players want them to. For example, I assume you're referring to the Steps trial? A 30 min penalty might look more appealing than wiping for an hour because people won't communicate or coordinate. And if you make penalties too high, people just won't play. Games are supposed to be fun and failing to make progress because of other players is not fun. I do agree that players shouldn't queue for roulette if they're not willing to do the trial though. At this point, probably every trial roulette will land on Steps (new, part of main story, some people stuck on it) so I think players should expect this to happen fairly frequently right now.

2) I don't think what you're describing is elitism. The players who are beyond a particular trial are probably beyond trial roulette (I haven't done trial roulette in many, many months, long before Steps came out). The reason? I easily cap Poetics doing other things and don't really need soldiery for anything. At this point, if you've been playing for a bit, Poetics is only good for gearing alts but FCoB is unlocked and so is WoD, making capping not a strict necessity by any means. The gil bonus to trial roulette is pretty mediocre (even assuming a 1-shot trial, I could make 200-300k in the same amount of time). Anyway, I think people just weigh the costs vs. rewards and it has nothing to do with elitism. But your post does kind of illustrate my point: all frustration for lack of progress is directed at so-called elitists.

[Gardes]

What is your problem? Seriously, you need to just accept that not everyone learns like you do and no amount of replies is going to make me agree with you (especially when you repeatedly call me a liar, seriously, you're beyond rude). Go foul up someone else's mood with your toxicity.

Considering you turned out to be lying in your own rant thread a few week ago and was revealed to be overly hostile in that particular event you ranted about, and then cussed this guy out before you edited it out (I saw it) and then in another thread you made you were throwing a tantrum about SE's promotional contest because its basic criteria isn't to your liking, have you actually wondered that you may in fact be, unpleasant to be around? Maybe people keep questioning you and pissing you off has something to do with yourself? Just saying.

[Izsha]

Different ways to be elitist ive learned in this thread:

*Player leaves duty before 1st pull. Elitist.
*Player leaves after 1 wipe. Elitist.
*Player leaves in less than 10 min. Elitist.
*Player leaves in less than 20 min. Elitist.
*player leaves before timer runs out. Elitist.
*Clear sellers. Elitist.
*Anyone screaming obscenities. Elitist.
*Explaining fight mechanics. Elitist.
*Creates farm PF with no sold bonus and kicking someone with sold bonus. Elitist.
*creating farm pf that even says 'no sold bonus'. Elitist.
*trolls in ct/st/wod. Elitist.
*Guy who pulls/forces wipes to get kicked. Elitist.
*Skilled player not joining Joe Shmos learning party. Elitist.
*explaining how to play a job/do a mechanic. Elutist.
*explaining how to play a job/do a mechanic really nicely. Sometimes elitist.
*Telling someone struggling in content to do the same thing I did to do that content (find like minded people, research, practice). DEFINITELY Elitist.

everyone just uses elitist as some dumb catchall and synonym for jerk. Most of this crap is just trolling, immature people. Leaving a duty roulette 3 sec in doesn't show some sign of superiority complex. They just hate that encounter. trolling in st? Trolls in general? Screaming obscenities? You guys can claim that elitist definition is 'the egotistical approach of players who think themselves superior' all you want, but we all see and know that it's really just used as an insult to call someone an a $$hole without the need of a censor. That's how it's used.

The term has become so overused it has no meaning other than a synonym for jerk. But it is ALSO used synonymously with elite in game and on forums and has become the scapegoat for failing. Look at every QQ thread in general, and like a bastardized Godwin ' law, somehow elitists get blamed and wraps up all elite players into the bundle. Can't beat t5? Elitists. Can't learn titan? Elitists. Materia to pricey? Elitist ruining the market. Rmt tells? Elitist clear sellers. No more housing plots? Elitists buying multiple houses.

The elite already KNOW what the difference between elite and elitist is. But the general public has broadened the term so much that it covers anything they don't like about their experience. Just like 'toxic' and 'white knight' and whatever other flavor of the month insult is flying around. Once a phrase goes viral it gets applied to everything, even when it has little or no relation to the subject.

People have just created a digital 'The Man' and blame any and everything on the elitist Man. Stop blaming other people for your problems. You made 1 part finder after midnight that didn't fill, then cued up 1 time in t9 and you think you've exhausted all your options? 'Wtf am I supposed.to do!? I TRIED!' When the audience you are trying to appeal to spent 5-10 hrs a week for weeks or even months just practicing (making the group in the 1st place is another matter entirely) no, we don't have crap loads of sympathy. You played passively (make pf and sit. Cue df and sit) for all of 2 hours and you want those of us who actually worked foe weeks and months to have a group cry with you? Nope.

People need to actually try before they throw up their hands, come to the forums, beg for nerfs, blame everyone and everything around them but themselves. The Man (elitists) aren't holding anyone back and applying the term to any and everything may make you feel better but it won't actually help you. The trolls don't care you hate them. They are sustained by your rage and tears. The only thing you do by smearing the term around is alienate the actual elites that might help you out.

[GenJoe]

Considering you turned out to be lying in your own rant thread a few week ago and was revealed to be overly hostile in that particular event you ranted about, and then cussed this guy out before you edited it out (I saw it) and then in another thread you made you were throwing a tantrum about SE's promotional contest because its basic criteria isn't to your liking, have you actually wondered that you may in fact be, unpleasant to be around? Maybe people keep questioning you and pissing you off has something to do with yourself? Just saying.

LOL! Wait, was this the person who posted about witnessing a new player watching cut scene and was alienated by rest of the group, left behind in the fights etc.? Then turned out the new player was actually the OP and he was the one antagonizing the rest of the group because they wouldn't sit on their ass for 20 minutes waiting for him to finish watching a nice cut scene? Then one of the people in the group ended up posting a reply?

Ahhh that was fun!

[GenJoe]

@Davester:
What other options did/do I have then? I went with one friend - more were either busy or offline. I had a PF up before too and what I think of guides is what I've said above.
I think DF is meant to be used to go in a fight if you can't get a (full) group beforehand. I want to learn that fight but with people leaving fast or not joining at all that's not an easy thing to do.

I like that "wasting other people's time" thing. Imho there are people out there who would consider playing games/MMOs as a waste of time...

By the way, I also think it is a matter of wording too. I accept it when others don't want to play with first timers through DF, but getting nasty about it? Please no.

Tbh, you don't need any excuses to play how you'd like.. Just don't expect other people to be okay with it because they are also entitled to their own opinions..
If they're DPS and have been waiting in the df for 30 or 40 minutes, do expect that they will be angry to get an unprepared person in the group. You can also argue that it's DF, if they wanted preparedness they shoulda gone with PF etc. etc. etc.. You can basically copy paste this entire thread to support your side and your opposition could do the same. Nobody's reaction is warranted in this case, but it shouldn't be hard to realize why each side has the reaction they're getting. Just put on a thick skin and deal with it.

I'll go into DF groups completely unprepared sometimes and expect a carry, works most of the time, but when I do get called out I don't expect people to be nice when they find out

Mind you, I did start a PF with a comment about "first time" and "learning it without having to watch a guide first" before entering the DF but other than a friend who went with me in the first place, no one else would join. Maybe it was because of the time (after midnight), but I have a bit of a bad feeling it won't be better if I try it during the day/evening again.

Your criteria is way too specific.. I understand that you don't want to spoil your experience by watching a video beforehand but you have to realize that the boat has sailed on that..
Perhaps if you were doing coils as soon as it came out, you would've found enough people to tackle it blindly, but majority of the player base has simply moved on.. They just want to get it over with. You're gonna need to get a group together for it, it's not easy I know, but you have no other options... You COULD just make a learning group, without tacking on additional criterion, but that'll probably get you that one person who's gonna explain the entire fight to you in words anyway..


Like I said, you CAN just sneak into a DF group and hope other people don't give you crap for not knowing the fight.. Just don't expect to find many sympathizers to your cause, not many will share your sentiment about not watching a video beforehand.

[Parapluies]

Different ways to be elitist ive learned in this thread:

*Player leaves duty before 1st pull. Elitist.
*Player leaves after 1 wipe. Elitist.
*Player leaves in less than 10 min. Elitist.
*Player leaves in less than 20 min. Elitist.
*player leaves before timer runs out. Elitist.
*Clear sellers. Elitist.
*Anyone screaming obscenities. Elitist.
*Explaining fight mechanics. Elitist.
*Creates farm PF with no sold bonus and kicking someone with sold bonus. Elitist.
*creating farm pf that even says 'no sold bonus'. Elitist.
*trolls in ct/st/wod. Elitist.
*Guy who pulls/forces wipes to get kicked. Elitist.
*Skilled player not joining Joe Shmos learning party. Elitist.
*explaining how to play a job/do a mechanic. Elutist.
*explaining how to play a job/do a mechanic really nicely. Sometimes elitist.
*Telling someone struggling in content to do the same thing I did to do that content (find like minded people, research, practice). DEFINITELY Elitist.

everyone just uses elitist as some dumb catchall and synonym for jerk. Most of this crap is just trolling, immature people. Leaving a duty roulette 3 sec in doesn't show some sign of superiority complex. They just hate that encounter. trolling in st? Trolls in general? Screaming obscenities? You guys can claim that elitist definition is 'the egotistical approach of players who think themselves superior' all you want, but we all see and know that it's really just used as an insult to call someone an a $$hole without the need of a censor. That's how it's used.

The term has become so overused it has no meaning other than a synonym for jerk. But it is ALSO used synonymously with elite in game and on forums and has become the scapegoat for failing. Look at every QQ thread in general, and like a bastardized Godwin ' law, somehow elitists get blamed and wraps up all elite players into the bundle. Can't beat t5? Elitists. Can't learn titan? Elitists. Materia to pricey? Elitist ruining the market. Rmt tells? Elitist clear sellers. No more housing plots? Elitists buying multiple houses.

The elite already KNOW what the difference between elite and elitist is. But the general public has broadened the term so much that it covers anything they don't like about their experience. Just like 'toxic' and 'white knight' and whatever other flavor of the month insult is flying around. Once a phrase goes viral it gets applied to everything, even when it has little or no relation to the subject.

People have just created a digital 'The Man' and blame any and everything on the elitist Man. Stop blaming other people for your problems. You made 1 part finder after midnight that didn't fill, then cued up 1 time in t9 and you think you've exhausted all your options? 'Wtf am I supposed.to do!? I TRIED!' When the audience you are trying to appeal to spent 5-10 hrs a week for weeks or even months just practicing (making the group in the 1st place is another matter entirely) no, we don't have crap loads of sympathy. You played passively (make pf and sit. Cue df and sit) for all of 2 hours and you want those of us who actually worked foe weeks and months to have a group cry with you? Nope.

People need to actually try before they throw up their hands, come to the forums, beg for nerfs, blame everyone and everything around them but themselves. The Man (elitists) aren't holding anyone back and applying the term to any and everything may make you feel better but it won't actually help you. The trolls don't care you hate them. They are sustained by your rage and tears. The only thing you do by smearing the term around is alienate the actual elites that might help you out.

Hey filthy elitist, I pay sub every month, dont tell me what to do !
It's easier to blame the elitist than trying. Human tend to do the easier way, right ?