Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Brill_]

If you even suggest they should try to watch a video or practice in DF or start a learning group, you're suddenly the worst thing since Hitler.

So when people experience exactly this kind of abuse we should suck it up because "Oh they were probably just trolls" or "that's just anecdotal personal experience that you've been through several times a month, our experience is more valid."

Let me share tonights experience. I started a T9 TRAINING party in PF. It was listed as a training party. After 90 minutes, we finally get 8 people. Go in, we eventually wipe and one of the elitists start going off on people not knowing the fight. He rage quits and the party ends up disbanding. Not once did he explain to anyone what they did wrong. It's these experiences are why people can't learn fights, because none of the elitists will give people a chance to learn. They sabotage training parties and expect perfection.

[Kiroh]

Let me share tonights experience. I started a T9 TRAINING party in PF. It was listed as a training party. After 90 minutes, we finally get 8 people. Go in, we eventually wipe and one of the elitists start going off on people not knowing the fight. He rage quits and the party ends up disbanding. Not once did he explain to anyone what they did wrong. It's these experiences are why people can't learn fights, because none of the elitists will give people a chance to learn. They sabotage training parties and expect perfection.

It's entirely possible that he was someone who didn't have the clear but knew more of the fight than you did and was frustrated because you didn't reach the part of the fight he actually needed "training" on.

Still, people in this thread have time and again stated and I feel it should be re-iterated : We don't expect perfection, but we do expect effort and some modicum of improvement. If you did both of these things and the person still left, then I'm very sorry you encountered a jerk when you were trying to do everything right. No one should verbally abuse you either, I'm sorry to hear that and I sincerely hope you reported them.

Or could have been as easily someone who didn't have a clue, didn't read the description and joined expecting a one-shot carry also.

This is true also.

[Brill_]

Still, people in this thread have time and again stated and I feel it should be re-iterated : We don't expect perfection, but we do expect effort and some modicum of improvement. If you did both of these things and the person still left, then

There was no chance for improvement because all this happened on the first wipe. Second, yes, elitists expect perfection. Thats why we see tons of PF that say "1 wipe = kick" Thats why people rage quit from a training party after 1 wipe, because all the elitists expect perfection.

[Purrfectstorm]

all the elitists expect perfection.

That's called a hasty generalization and it's a logical fallacy.
http://www.onegoodmove.org/fallacy/hasty.htm

[Kiroh]

There was no chance for improvement because all this happened on the first wipe. Second, yes, elitists expect perfection. Thats why we see tons of PF that say "1 wipe = kick" Thats why people rage quit from a training party after 1 wipe, because all the elitists expect perfection.

Most of the people who start groups like that are not elite players, they're people who expect everyone else to be perfect so they don't have to put in any effort. They're people who want a carry.

Second, I guarantee you not one person who considers themselves "elite" expects perfection. (Except perhaps from themselves*)

And lastly, shutting down any attempt at understanding and painting everyone with the asshole brush is exactly why a lot of high-tier players don't even bother helping newbies anymore.

[Sapphic]

It's entirely possible that he was someone who didn't have the clear but knew more of the fight than you did and was frustrated because you didn't reach the part of the fight he actually needed "training" on.

Still, people in this thread have time and again stated and I feel it should be re-iterated : We don't expect perfection, but we do expect effort and some modicum of improvement. If you did both of these things and the person still left, then I'm very sorry you encountered a jerk when you were trying to do everything right. No one should verbally abuse you either, I'm sorry to hear that and I sincerely hope you reported them.

Or could have been as easily someone who didn't have a clue, didn't read the description and joined expecting a one-shot carry also.

[Davester]

Let me share tonights experience. I started a T9 TRAINING party in PF. It was listed as a training party. After 90 minutes, we finally get 8 people. Go in, we eventually wipe and one of the elitists start going off on people not knowing the fight. He rage quits and the party ends up disbanding. Not once did he explain to anyone what they did wrong. It's these experiences are why people can't learn fights, because none of the elitists will give people a chance to learn. They sabotage training parties and expect perfection.

i am sorry but what you are describing is really just a troll/jerk/whatever have it,what happens when you call everyone an elitist like that is you just make the word more open for abuse.Oh so you've clearly wiped us on purpose ELITIST JERK,oh so you are refusing to heal dps,ELITIST JERK,and eventually it reaches what it is now,just a name to call everyone doing anything bad,and then by others as a word to use for anyone doing anything in a manner they don't like
also one interesting interesting thing to note,no matter how much the players say elitists are jerks,call everyone names and just in general ruin the experience,it's not very often that you hear filthy casual used as a serious insult in comparison to elitist jerk,or have said elitists make as many stereotypes about others as there are about them(from pooping in socks to living in mom's basement)even reaching the levels of counting things such as playing for long times(which by all means should be applauded cause it's dedication)as a bad thing(for example:EFFIN NO-LIFE ELITIST JERK)