Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Kosmos992k]

Funny, because in these two posts I see the same arrogance, rude, and hateful attitude they so openly speak against.. Two wrong doesn't make a right. You are just as arrogant, rude, and hateful as the elitists that you talk down on. Discrimination is discrimination, it doesn't matter if you discriminates against those who are more or less accomplished in game.

I don't see anyone discriminating against elite players, hardcore players, casual players or any other players, though I do see people complaining about, and criticizing the behavior of elitists and elitism in general. Like some other posters in this topic, you need to separate "elite" from elitist and elitism. They are not the same.

[Purrfectstorm]

I don't see anyone discriminating against elite players, hardcore players, casual players or any other players, though I do see people complaining about, and criticizing the behavior of elitists and elitism in general. Like some other posters in this topic, you need to separate "elite" from elitist and elitism. They are not the same.

I'm sick of people making the point that being elite is better than being elitist. Being elite means being superior. Being elitist means feeling you are superior. So it's okay to be superior but you're not allowed to believe you're superior?

That reminds me of this boss I had. She was like "We know you're smart but it's not very endearing to remind us of that." This was in response to my correcting a mistake in a pharmacy that would've cost a client an extra $150. I did not say anything to make anyone feel bad or comment on this situation in any way. My boss literally had a problem with my being excellent. In fact, the customer overheard some of the things she said to me that day and gave her all kinds of holy hell.

Which brings me back to a couple of very important ideas:

1) You all don't know me. I'm nothing like the negative elitists some of you are envisioning. I am super nice and help new players all the time. I don't think it makes me a bad person because I run out of patience sometimes and need to take a break to do my own thing. I wouldn't run out of patience as easily if people who can't didn't sometimes have such unreasonable expectations on the people who can. It is not fair to expect to be carried by other players whether you are in PF OR DF. Everyone is new at some point and people have to learn. They're not going to be perfect but then nobody in this thread has demanded perfection, just some modicum of effort.

I showed my partner what I was talking about earlier. I joined a Garuda story mode as a tank (to help a new player btw!). One of the people we got via DF was an Arcanist, not a Summoner. He was doing very poor dps. The adds blew up all the rocks and we wiped. And he said: "Scarlet you need to help us DPS the adds." That's when I called my partner over and we had a good laugh. I was like: "This is what I was talking about in that thread. Someone can't do their job and expects me to somehow make up the difference."

I wasn't rude to him or anything and we got the clear the next attempt but I certainly would've left if we didn't get the win in a couple more tries for the same reasons. And it wouldn't have been rude for me to do so.

2) The next thing is that I am allowed to be excellent. There is nothing wrong with believing that I am superior by some metric e.g. at Titan EX, at troubleshooting computer errors in a pharmacy, or whatever. It does not mean I'm superior on every metric and I should not have to be self-deprecating or fake humility because others are made uncomfortable by my light. Not only should someone not have to dim their light for others but one can't dim their light. It will always find a way to shine through and then people will resent you double: because you have some skill they don't and because you were unable to keep this knowledge from them.

[Kuroyasha]

I'm sick of people making the point that being elite is better than being elitist. Good Stuff

You know people just gonna take what u just said and try to make it out as you looking down on others one way or another xD.

[Kosmos992k]

I'm sick of people making the point that being elite is better than being elitist. Being elite means being superior. Being elitist means feeling you are superior. So it's okay to be superior but you're not allowed to believe you're superior?

Additional thought...I'm not making the point that elite is better than elitist, the point is they are entirely different things. Elitist is not a degree of being elite, it's not some kind of stepping stoneon the way to being elite, it's a behavior, not a status.

I honestly don't know where to begin. Being elite, means actually being elite. Being elitist means actively discriminating against those you believe are inferior to you. Being elitist does not confer elite status, nor is 'elitist' a status you can achieve, it's a behavior you indulge in. Believe you are superior all you like, but be honest with yourself about what being elitist actually means, and while your chugging along in you ego driven belief in your own superiority - whether deserved or not - do not be surprized by the negative reactions your little egobtrip will generate. In the meantime at least be honedt enough to accept that you are attempting to stretch the word "elitist" far beyond it's actual meaning, and in a way that is not in harmony with the comon use of the word.

At the end of the day, your abuse of the English language doesn't alter the fact that elitist doesn't mean what you think it means. A better word for what you are describing is pretentious.

Either way, thanks for replying, and once again confirming my original thought regarding what you are saying.

redefining elitism to fit your framework, does not in fact redefine it. I've seen all of this before and what you a re talking about is not elitism, it's veteran player fatigue which brings with it a nasty dose of intolerance for other players, new players and anyone/anything that does not meet the exact specifications of the fatigued veteran player at that time.

The attitude that demands others watch a video before playing is selfish pure and simple. Many players wish to experience content the first time by actually playing it.Shocking I know, imagine that wanting to play this game instead if simply viewing it on You Tube....

Elitism stems from the elitist who believes themself rightly or wrongly, to be superior to others, not player fatigue.

Dressing up the bitter intolerance that comes from the fatigue as elitism doesn't make it elitism, even if rationalizing it that way makes you feel better about your self.

[Tiggy]

I'm sick of people making the point that being elite is better than being elitist. Being elite means being superior. Being elitist means feeling you are superior. So it's okay to be superior but you're not allowed to believe you're superior?

Yes, they absolutely refuse to accept that reality. They'd rather it remain nothing more than a pejorative and only a pejorative despite the fact is has a perfectly acceptable definition that isn't at all a pejorative. It's close minded. Yes, it has a pejorative definition, but it also has one that isn't. BOTH are accurate uses of the word. This incessant push for there to be only one is inaccurate and comes from a group of people who wants to do nothing but push hate on others.

There is very explicitly a definition here http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/elitist?s=t that has no negative connotations at all. However, that is to be ignored it seems solely to support one definition that is entirely pejorative. It's ignorant to assume words have one meaning. It's ignorant to assume the one YOU want is the only one that is valid. THAT is being pretentious. Both the pejorative definition and the non-pejorative definition exist, are real, and are valid definitions of elitist whether you like it or not. If you have a problem with that definition take it up with dictionary.com. NOT us.

Let me share tonights experience. I started a T9 TRAINING party in PF. It was listed as a training party. After 90 minutes, we finally get 8 people. Go in, we eventually wipe and one of the elitists start going off on people not knowing the fight. He rage quits and the party ends up disbanding. Not once did he explain to anyone what they did wrong. It's these experiences are why people can't learn fights, because none of the elitists will give people a chance to learn. They sabotage training parties and expect perfection.

That's just an a-hole. Not an elitist. Based on your story he never insinuated HE was elite. He was just being nasty. We have older and better words for these situations that have nothing to do with being elite. It was YOU who assumed he was elite based on nothing what so ever other than the fact he left in a hissy fit. That is a some pretty poor evidence someone is an elitist.

And lastly, shutting down any attempt at understanding and painting everyone with the asshole brush is exactly why a lot of high-tier players don't even bother helping newbies anymore.

I hear exactly this from people who would be dubbed "elitists" more than anything. Their sick of the "casual" crowd treating them like crap when they just want to help. Maybe if people stopped using the elitist title so inappropriately. Just like that previous example. The person got frustrated and left and got called an elitist here yet no possible information existed to say that person was elite to begin with. It was an inappropriate label for someone who was just being a complete jerk, a**, bas***d, etc. Elitist requires the person to have a known high skill level. When you don't know how good they were and you call him an elitist you are actively applying the word to someone who hasn't earned the right to even be labeled elitist. It's at that point elitist is being used solely as a pejorative and not as an accurate descriptor of the person being discussed.