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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    That was kind of what this entire thread was all about, people who don't like the way something is phrased refusing to listen and calling people elitist.
    If someone is giving you advice, pay less attention to how they say it and more attention to what they say. Too many people in the game get upset and either refuse to listen, or just lash out.
    Except for the fact that the OP typed up a novel making it sound like the world was against the poor elitists*, that they are the true victims due to having to deal with the dirty casual folk who laugh at the constant failures in games , have no desire to better themselves, who merely want handouts, who won't bother trying to better themselves. The struggle! It was a poorly written, and very sensationalized piece of work. And it got a lot of bandwagoners.

    It was not a nice post asking people to show respect to their fellow player. Perhaps to put a little move effort from BOTH sides into making things work when put together in a duty, it was an attempt to make a certain group feel better at the expense of another. All the while throwing jabs at those less skilled.

    And then even yourself:
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    So the lesson here is that both groups seem to be fed up with each other. The difference is that elitists are perfectly happy just grouping up with each other, while everyone else wants to group up with elitists. (So long as they shut up and carry them without complaining.)
    Once again implying that the elitists* are perfectly fine and happy, but it's everyone else that is causing the trouble.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    That was kind of what this entire thread was all about, people who don't like the way something is phrased refusing to listen and calling people elitist.

    If someone is giving you advice, pay less attention to how they say it and more attention to what they say. Too many people in the game get upset and either refuse to listen, or just lash out.
    And you are still passing the blame onto the non-elitist* claiming it's their fault for not taking the advice well, they're the ones lashing out. As if the elitist* knows best, and should be able to control everyone else in all situations.

    It is so much than one small example.

    I would love for you to go through this thread and dig out all the people who preached respect for all players. You'll find that the amount of people with this message were far outnumbered by those bashing on the other side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
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    Story time : Note, this actually happened to me.

    I was running Labyrinth one day for a weekly and I noticed as we reached the armor that no one was keeping the pots alive.

    Me : Guys, we need to keep the pots, or at least one of them alive. If we don't we'll wipe.
    Alliance member : Don't tell me how to play the game, I pay every month and I'll play how I want.
    Me : I'm not telling you how to play, I'm telling you that keeping at least one pot alive is the bare minimum standard for clearing this fight.
    Alliance member : Having ANY standards is elitist!
    Me : Then you need to take it up with SE, because it's a standard they set.

    That wasn't even the first time that day I'd been called an elitist, or even the silliest reason for it. I felt a lot the same way as the OP at that moment : "Screw it, if knowing what to do makes me an elitist well I guess I'm an elitist".
    Anecdotal evidence doesn't help here. There are also plenty of stories to be found of elitists* screaming at people over nothing. We all have stories to share. But in the case of your example, sounds like they were screwing with you. Labrynth is a troll fest. Welcome to the party.

    *I am using their term. In no way to I think a skilled player is the same as an elitist. Tired of splitting hairs.
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