Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Kiroh]

Except for the fact that the OP typed up a novel making it sound like the world was against the poor elitists*, that they are the true victims due to having to deal with the dirty casual folk who laugh at the constant failures in games , have no desire to better themselves, who merely want handouts, who won't bother trying to better themselves. The struggle! It was a poorly written, and very sensationalized piece of work. And it got a lot of bandwagoners.

You know as well as I do that there are absolutely people out there who have no desire to better themselves and refuse to take any advice. There are only so many times a person can be expected to tolerate being attacked because they're trying to give someone advice, I understand where the OP's frustration with this is coming from.

There are also a lot of people who post on the forums exactly the same thing with the roles reversed and all you hear is people cheering them on. "Yeah, screw elitists! They don't run the game!", but when someone is tired of wiping to a mechanic they've already explained 10 times and leaves the group it's "Why do people always drop? How am I supposed to get this done if no one is willing to run it for me! Learning groups take too long to form!" and again all they get is praise. If you even suggest they should try to watch a video or practice in DF or start a learning group, you're suddenly the worst thing since Hitler.

So when people experience exactly this kind of abuse we should suck it up because "Oh they were probably just trolls" or "that's just anecdotal personal experience that you've been through several times a month, our experience is more valid."

I'm glad the OP posted this, because honestly a lot of the people who cry "elitist" are people who treat other players like their personal paid clear groups.

[Purrfectstorm]

Well that took a turn! lol.

I am now a hate monger because I refuse to accept a positive spin on Elitists. Very well.

No but ironically you're being your version of elitist by telling people they need to conform to the way you use words.

60 pages later and most of you don't understand I was using the word "elitist" ironically.

Like "You're going to call me an elitist because I actually try. Okay, fine, then I'm an elitist."

I wasn't embracing lording anything over people but I do think wanting to do your best is a superior attitude to being whiny and blaming others for your own failures.

[Purrfectstorm]

I don't see anyone discriminating against elite players, hardcore players, casual players or any other players, though I do see people complaining about, and criticizing the behavior of elitists and elitism in general. Like some other posters in this topic, you need to separate "elite" from elitist and elitism. They are not the same.

I'm sick of people making the point that being elite is better than being elitist. Being elite means being superior. Being elitist means feeling you are superior. So it's okay to be superior but you're not allowed to believe you're superior?

That reminds me of this boss I had. She was like "We know you're smart but it's not very endearing to remind us of that." This was in response to my correcting a mistake in a pharmacy that would've cost a client an extra $150. I did not say anything to make anyone feel bad or comment on this situation in any way. My boss literally had a problem with my being excellent. In fact, the customer overheard some of the things she said to me that day and gave her all kinds of holy hell.

Which brings me back to a couple of very important ideas:

1) You all don't know me. I'm nothing like the negative elitists some of you are envisioning. I am super nice and help new players all the time. I don't think it makes me a bad person because I run out of patience sometimes and need to take a break to do my own thing. I wouldn't run out of patience as easily if people who can't didn't sometimes have such unreasonable expectations on the people who can. It is not fair to expect to be carried by other players whether you are in PF OR DF. Everyone is new at some point and people have to learn. They're not going to be perfect but then nobody in this thread has demanded perfection, just some modicum of effort.

I showed my partner what I was talking about earlier. I joined a Garuda story mode as a tank (to help a new player btw!). One of the people we got via DF was an Arcanist, not a Summoner. He was doing very poor dps. The adds blew up all the rocks and we wiped. And he said: "Scarlet you need to help us DPS the adds." That's when I called my partner over and we had a good laugh. I was like: "This is what I was talking about in that thread. Someone can't do their job and expects me to somehow make up the difference."

I wasn't rude to him or anything and we got the clear the next attempt but I certainly would've left if we didn't get the win in a couple more tries for the same reasons. And it wouldn't have been rude for me to do so.

2) The next thing is that I am allowed to be excellent. There is nothing wrong with believing that I am superior by some metric e.g. at Titan EX, at troubleshooting computer errors in a pharmacy, or whatever. It does not mean I'm superior on every metric and I should not have to be self-deprecating or fake humility because others are made uncomfortable by my light. Not only should someone not have to dim their light for others but one can't dim their light. It will always find a way to shine through and then people will resent you double: because you have some skill they don't and because you were unable to keep this knowledge from them.

[Brill_]

If you even suggest they should try to watch a video or practice in DF or start a learning group, you're suddenly the worst thing since Hitler.

So when people experience exactly this kind of abuse we should suck it up because "Oh they were probably just trolls" or "that's just anecdotal personal experience that you've been through several times a month, our experience is more valid."

Let me share tonights experience. I started a T9 TRAINING party in PF. It was listed as a training party. After 90 minutes, we finally get 8 people. Go in, we eventually wipe and one of the elitists start going off on people not knowing the fight. He rage quits and the party ends up disbanding. Not once did he explain to anyone what they did wrong. It's these experiences are why people can't learn fights, because none of the elitists will give people a chance to learn. They sabotage training parties and expect perfection.

[Kuroyasha]

I'm sick of people making the point that being elite is better than being elitist. Good Stuff

You know people just gonna take what u just said and try to make it out as you looking down on others one way or another xD.

[Gardes]

I honestly don't know why people are hating on the jerk 'elitists' when they wouldn't even care about all this discussion to begin with. They wouldn't see the need to discuss all this in the forums to explain themselves. You can probably even leave them alone in their own bubble.

Personally, I used to give out instructions to players who need it in dungeons and primals (sometimes even on basic class functions) but I don't put it with pretty words. I just go straight to the point, like a telegram, because I don't like to keep other people standing and waiting. Makes sense no?

In this pic (right click image and click on view image), it actually went well. People were receptive and listened and we managed to clear AV but most of the time people just ignore me when i type like this and also plenty who cussed out at me and some even retaliated with doing the exact opposite of what I tell them out of spite even if it means failure. Sometimes the one who gets rude is not even the one I'm giving instruction to. A GM hasn't come running for me yet but why should I risk it or even deal with any abuse for typing out helpful instructions? I've since stopped saying anything to randoms and just leave if the situation is hopeless (speaking up? that's harassment!).

You can argue with me that some bad apples shouldn't stop me from being helpful to the innocent casuals but it doesn't seem worth it anymore. I've completed most of the combat content with my own FC first. Anything I do without m FC won't be that urgent anymore and when there are people who need the clear but also working against their own clear (not accepting advise/criticism, harassment fear mongering, intentionally playing poorly to bait people into admitting using parser, etc), it just doesn't seem worth the hassle. When you have your own side (the ones who still need clears) actively working on turning away helpful veteran players, you're only going to get the asshole veteran ones.

[Kiroh]

Let me share tonights experience. I started a T9 TRAINING party in PF. It was listed as a training party. After 90 minutes, we finally get 8 people. Go in, we eventually wipe and one of the elitists start going off on people not knowing the fight. He rage quits and the party ends up disbanding. Not once did he explain to anyone what they did wrong. It's these experiences are why people can't learn fights, because none of the elitists will give people a chance to learn. They sabotage training parties and expect perfection.

It's entirely possible that he was someone who didn't have the clear but knew more of the fight than you did and was frustrated because you didn't reach the part of the fight he actually needed "training" on.

Still, people in this thread have time and again stated and I feel it should be re-iterated : We don't expect perfection, but we do expect effort and some modicum of improvement. If you did both of these things and the person still left, then I'm very sorry you encountered a jerk when you were trying to do everything right. No one should verbally abuse you either, I'm sorry to hear that and I sincerely hope you reported them.

Or could have been as easily someone who didn't have a clue, didn't read the description and joined expecting a one-shot carry also.

This is true also.

[Davester]

Let me share tonights experience. I started a T9 TRAINING party in PF. It was listed as a training party. After 90 minutes, we finally get 8 people. Go in, we eventually wipe and one of the elitists start going off on people not knowing the fight. He rage quits and the party ends up disbanding. Not once did he explain to anyone what they did wrong. It's these experiences are why people can't learn fights, because none of the elitists will give people a chance to learn. They sabotage training parties and expect perfection.

i am sorry but what you are describing is really just a troll/jerk/whatever have it,what happens when you call everyone an elitist like that is you just make the word more open for abuse.Oh so you've clearly wiped us on purpose ELITIST JERK,oh so you are refusing to heal dps,ELITIST JERK,and eventually it reaches what it is now,just a name to call everyone doing anything bad,and then by others as a word to use for anyone doing anything in a manner they don't like
also one interesting interesting thing to note,no matter how much the players say elitists are jerks,call everyone names and just in general ruin the experience,it's not very often that you hear filthy casual used as a serious insult in comparison to elitist jerk,or have said elitists make as many stereotypes about others as there are about them(from pooping in socks to living in mom's basement)even reaching the levels of counting things such as playing for long times(which by all means should be applauded cause it's dedication)as a bad thing(for example:EFFIN NO-LIFE ELITIST JERK)

[Brill_]

Still, people in this thread have time and again stated and I feel it should be re-iterated : We don't expect perfection, but we do expect effort and some modicum of improvement. If you did both of these things and the person still left, then

There was no chance for improvement because all this happened on the first wipe. Second, yes, elitists expect perfection. Thats why we see tons of PF that say "1 wipe = kick" Thats why people rage quit from a training party after 1 wipe, because all the elitists expect perfection.

[Purrfectstorm]

all the elitists expect perfection.

That's called a hasty generalization and it's a logical fallacy.
http://www.onegoodmove.org/fallacy/hasty.htm