Whm / Scholar - who is better

[Vlady]

The general consensus in the game so far is white mages are way behind scholars in the power curve and usefulness. Considering having asked over 50 white mages on my server alone and 36 of them admit they go scholar for dungeons and feel that the scholar is more powerful then the white mage it is no wonder some people are worried Astrologian will become their new main in 3.0. White mage has only raw healing as its sticking point. Scholars have superior dps, mitigation cooldowns and stronger heals then white mage and were able to solo heal all content faster and in weaker gear then white mages.

SE will have no choice but to give white mage's stronger utility spells and dps when Astrologian numbers shoot up while white mages drop the same %. The only reason people seem to be confused at how weak the white mage truly is right now is because as other people have said it is a stronger combination to have white mage/scholar then double scholar with Galvanize shield not stacking with other scholar shields. If the were to ever get rid of that you would see 90% of all high end raids use scholars then.

Future isnt looking good for the gimp white mage ;(. Please buff them SE.

[Saseal]

Just look at the kittens, wouldja? Just look at the dang kittens.
Kittens don't care about the WHM vs SCH thing. You wanna know why? Because kittens!

>_< fdhskjfdshk *titan tableflip*
Why did this thread have to exist, again? We're back at square one, yet again.
*agitated*

[VanilleFang]

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Sigh. I don't really want to continue this nonsense but...

Anyone who thinks a SCH is leagues in head of a WHM doesn't really have a proper grasp of WHM.
DPS thing: This is completely false. A lot of groups prefer WHM over SCH for speed runs because of Holy. And you can use Bene while in Cleric Stance.

I don't know why people think SCH is better. =/ Or why people would think WHM is better. Both are good and they don't outshine each other in the long run.

[Ghishlain]

Just look at the kittens, wouldja? Just look at the dang kittens.
Kittens don't care about the WHM vs SCH thing. You wanna know why? Because kittens!

>_< fdhskjfdshk *titan tableflip*
Why did this thread have to exist, again? We're back at square one, yet again.
*agitated*

Because people have an opinion but can't back it up with hard facts, that's why =p

Have more kittens!

Sigh. I don't really want to continue this nonsense but...

Anyone who thinks a SCH is leagues in head of a WHM doesn't really have a proper grasp of WHM.
DPS thing: This is completely false. A lot of groups prefer WHM over SCH for speed runs because of Holy. And you can use Bene while in Cleric Stance.

I don't know why people think SCH is better. =/ Or why people would think WHM is better. Both are good and they don't outshine each other in the long run.

You're best to ignore Vlady, he's pretty entrenched in his opinion on the whole thing. While I personally believe the SCH toolkit is indeed stronger than the WHM toolkit, the division isn't so grand in the current meta that WHM needs any obvious buffs. That will most certainly change in Heavensward because regardless of anything, one of the healers WILL be considered third tier.

[VanilleFang]

You're best to ignore Vlady, he's pretty entrenched in his opinion on the whole thing. While I personally believe the SCH toolkit is indeed stronger than the WHM toolkit, the division isn't so grand in the current meta that WHM needs any obvious buffs. That will most certainly change in Heavensward because regardless of anything, one of the healers WILL be considered third tier.

This'll be during the debates during the "MY HEALZ ARE BETTER" threads that are bound to pop up after Heavenward.



I'm sticking with WHM, unless AST is insanely fun, regardless of who is the "best".

[Parawill]

Lol, the topic is actually a fun to discuss until fallacies are thrown left and right, and the inability to see another person's perspective warps a discussion into something not worth talking about.

Like I've said countless times in many of these threads, Scholars > White Mage in terms of actions per GCD due to having access to strong DoTs and a variety of party-wide DPS increase, heals and whatnot. Whereas White Mages excel at raw healing and very niche utility (Fluid Aura to interrupt skills, i.e. Golems in T9) and amazing AoE.

Both have their uses. Both have their strengths and weakness. So in conclusion, bring both into 8-man content and play whichever you choose in 4-man content or 24 man content.

On a lighter note, I go Scholar in World of Darkness or Labyrinth of the Ancients if I'm solo queuing just because that Aetherflow is nice... Y'know, for all those raises.

Scholars are way stronger then white mages right now. Most white mages go scholar to do content which makes them a closet scholar main.

I prefer White Mage'ing over Scholaring most content. Lustrate is nice and all, but I like my Holy and Regen too much.

EDIT: The only thing I dislike about White Mage is that I only have access to Benediction to save someone who isn't topped-off for a megaflare during divebombs (because they took splash damage--aka, avoidable damage). Scholar pls help.

[DreamWeaver]

@Parawill

Swiftcast Cure II work wonders there. I don't see any other situation where swiftcast is required in P3 (other than raising people), so personally I always preemptively press my SC buff during dive bomb movement.

[DarkmoonVael]

The general consensus in the game so far is white mages are way behind scholars in the power curve and usefulness. Considering having asked over 50 white mages on my server alone and 36 of them admit they go scholar for dungeons and feel that the scholar is more powerful then the white mage it is no wonder some people are worried Astrologian will become their new main in 3.0. White mage has only raw healing as its sticking point. Scholars have superior dps, mitigation cooldowns and stronger heals then white mage and were able to solo heal all content faster and in weaker gear then white mages.

SE will have no choice but to give white mage's stronger utility spells and dps when Astrologian numbers shoot up while white mages drop the same %. The only reason people seem to be confused at how weak the white mage truly is right now is because as other people have said it is a stronger combination to have white mage/scholar then double scholar with Galvanize shield not stacking with other scholar shields. If the were to ever get rid of that you would see 90% of all high end raids use scholars then.

Future isnt looking good for the gimp white mage ;(. Please buff them SE.

After an entire thread that you created over this where the only thing that happened was your opinion was debunked by the masses, I would have thought that you would get the point that you do not speak for the masses at all. This is not the general consensus.

People who can not use WHM to save their lives (or anyone elses) are the ones with this opinion.

And stop it with the sch shield stacking thing, they dont stack, therefore the entire argument about it is non existant. If whm could use stoneskin 2 in combat it would kill off the sch. That is how absurd your arguments are getting now.

[VanilleFang]

And stop it with the sch shield stacking thing, they dont stack, therefore the entire argument about it is non existant. If whm could use stoneskin 2 in combat it would kill off the sch. That is how absurd your arguments are getting now.

: I can't even understand how someone can think this is a thing. Its easy to test and obvious that Galvanize of different SCHs don't stack. I mean its obvious when you use Galvanize on a target who already has another SCH's Galvanize already on them, and your's either has no effect or replaces the other SCH's. A perfect example of this is when your group has two SCHs and you both use Succor. How any one even thinks they stack just shows how little many players actually pay attention to what is going on. Its sad really.

[Tint]

don't forget a whm can spread regen, spamming cure2, have a cd to double his spellspeed... powerfull aoe heals... the whm can heal a lot more than a sch when he wants...