Do you think sell groups are hurting end game community?

[NamudNevets]

OK, I sell runs but i ALSO help out for free and teach PPL with wht is going on. As was said MANY PPL buy for the loot. Iv had buyers stay alive and help if they want and know the fight, or they can die at start for full carry but thats up to them as they paid. Rolling against others for loot can be a BIG PAIN and even more so if its a PUG. Many times I try to jump in "farms" and half the PPL know what to do but don't do it and can cause MANY wipes and then disband with no loot.

Now i will say that im sure many of them buy gil because most of the sales are well over priced. I know groups that will teach the person the run as well if they choose to. But if thats the way they wanna play and spend their money in RL n game then ur darn rite ima willing to take it :P Iv had a dude buy like 5 T9 just for glams.

[Spy]

OK, I sell runs but i ALSO help out for free and teach PPL with wht is going on. As was said MANY PPL buy for the loot. Iv had buyers stay alive and help if they want and know the fight, or they can die at start for full carry but thats up to them as they paid. Rolling against others for loot can be a BIG PAIN and even more so if its a PUG. Many times I try to jump in "farms" and half the PPL know what to do but don't do it and can cause MANY wipes and then disband with no loot.

Now i will say that im sure many of them buy gil because most of the sales are well over priced. I know groups that will teach the person the run as well if they choose to. But if thats the way they wanna play and spend their money in RL n game then ur darn rite ima willing to take it :P Iv had a dude buy like 5 T9 just for glams.

That kind of mentality is what FEEDS rmt...and people are constantly whining about that, blaming SE when the real fault of rmt lies with the players. Yeah. I said it.

[Imoye]

Boosting should be bannable.

[Darra]

That kind of mentality is what FEEDS rmt...and people are constantly whining about that blaming SE when the real fault of rmt lies with the players.

This isn't entirely correct: SE designed the content in a way that locks people out (Must do T5 before access to T6+, must do T9 for access to T10+), SE also designed the loot system that results in players that do buy kills, having to potentially pay for multiple to get what they want. SE also designed instant raid wipe mechanics that some people are better than others at dealing with. Whilst some people will pay for gil regardless of what game designs are changed, a lot of the gil buying for kills/loot, is the result of game design. What's easier to fix? Human behavior (especially behavior that some people do not see as wrong/bad) or game design that leads to people feeling the need to use in game currency to pay for things?

[Spy]

This isn't entirely correct: SE designed the content in a way that locks people out (Must do T5 before access to T6+, must do T9 for access to T10+), SE also designed the loot system that results in players that do buy kills, having to potentially pay for multiple to get what they want. SE also designed instant raid wipe mechanics that some people are better than others at dealing with. Whilst some people will pay for gil regardless of what game designs are changed, a lot of the gil buying for kills/loot, is the result of game design. What's easier to fix? Human behavior (especially behavior that some people do not see as wrong/bad) or game design that leads to people feeling the need to use in game currency to pay for things?

I can see what you're saying. But I find nothing wrong with having to beat T9 to get to T10. Especially considering there's story to the coils. It's like the main scenario...I wouldn't like to be able to do it in any order. I like the designated order.

This however I'm not sure I understand, could you explain this or reword it? I don't quite know what you're trying to say here.

SE also designed the loot system that results in players that do buy kills, having to potentially pay for multiple to get what they want.

Are you saying it's because people need to run things multiple times to get what they want? If that is the case, I don't see what's wrong with that either. This is an mmo, and they need to make things last as long as they can. If they give you all the content in one go, then people would have been long done with this game already. People are already complaining about having done everything in the game. And they can only release so much. That aside, you still shouldn't need to pay to get content. I have never, nor will I ever pay or charge to do content multiple times. If my friends say they're aiming for a particular gear piece, if I can, I help them run it multiple times to get it. As they have done for me.

What would be nice is if people stop being in a dang rush for things. Enjoy the game...the battling and learning is part of the experience. I just don't share the mentality of I have to have everything NOW so it's just hard for me to understand. But if people have to have everything NOW then, how does that not ruin the experience later...ok so you have your stuff...now what? I, personally, love working hard to get a piece of gear, and that way, when I do have it, I say "Wow this piece took me three weeks to get! I'll cherish it! Time for screenshots! "

It's true you can't fix human behavior. But SE can only do so much. And "boosting" isn't helping the inspiration for lazy (or people with not enough time) players to buy gil. That's the main reason I can't stand it. and it's partly selfish if people aren't willing to learn mechanics because then they just expect everyone to carry them. IDK, I can't speak for people. I can only speak for myself. I just can't stand it. And the constant bickering and raising pitchforks at Square Enix, where there are multiple things causing RMT (Mostly people actually buying gil :O ) bugs the crap out of me.

[Priya]

Nope. Clear selling has always been in games. The real problem lies in the ban on parsers and not being able to call anyone out for being bad. Party sucks? Better disband it because we might get reported if we tell Tommy and Timmy to step up their game.

[Firepower]

I still remember groups selling Titan HM back in the day for relic's. The discussion hasn't moved on from this really. I think people who are too lazy to do content themselves are unlikely to maintain long term interest in the game anyway so I would expect a good percentage of buyers are likely to quit in the future when they realise they just have to buy their way through more content in future. I don't believe It hurts the community because these bad people are no longer populating learning parties. Clear sellers who do not participate in helping newbies would not start suddenly helping people if clear selling didn't exist, they would just devote their time to another efficient way of making gil.

[Warlyx]

the question should be , its selling clears good for the endgame community? arent we killing the endgame with all the barriers? 1 fail = kick , 100 sold = kick , ect is no wonder ppl dont want to participate in endgame/ buy clears.

i understand that sometimes ppl dont have luck cant find static and are desesperate , but as u can see there are "regulars" that buy clears from time to time , where that gil comes from?

FFXIV endgame outside a static sucks period , if u want to pug something u better kill it on first day because if u dont u have 0% chance of killing it (or farm it) , DF is a wipefest and PF is full selling or warnings about kicking.

RMT are running rampart and i wonder why, there is no really need for gil in this game ...outside of some cool pet or buying a house (but houses are limited ), nothing is expensive.

so why are RMT still around and botting non-stop?, because if RMT still exist is because players are buying gil.... who is buying and why?

/x-file mode off :P

[Devils_Lawyer]

The real problem lies in the ban on parsers and not being able to call anyone out for being bad. Party sucks? Better disband it because we might get reported if we tell Tommy and Timmy to step up their game.

Probably because people wouldnt use it to look for bad players so they can teach them stuff, they would use it to kick/insult/demotivate players so they dont have to deal with them.

[o3o]

Sell groups aren't really hurting endgame content. Sides, by the time most start selling. The content is already somewhat old.

Truth be told anyway. Most of the people who did get carried got carried for free. Either by thier fc's (every Tuesday me and my static help carry people who are either staticless or just plain bad at the game as an fc event) or by their friends.