Do you think sell groups are hurting end game community?

[Zaft]

There is a huge difference between calling people out ala "OMG U SUCK WHM DID MORE DPS THAN U!" and trying to be constructive with "Bill, I see your DPS is a little bit lower than what it should be. Can you explain to me the rotation you're using for this fight and maybe we can sort out what's wrong. Better yet, after this fight let's go to a striking dummy and I can gauge your performance there and help you correct it." The former is EXACTLY why parses are frowned upon.

Except that it's not OUR job to fix YOUR DPS. That's your responsibility and nobody else. Now I agree that you shouldn't be a dick, but if your DPS sucks, I'm entirely in my right to say "Your DPS is lacking" and kick you.

[Devils_Lawyer]

Except that it's not OUR job to fix YOUR DPS. That's your responsibility and nobody else. Now I agree that you shouldn't be a dick, but if your DPS sucks, I'm entirely in my right to say "Your DPS is lacking" and kick you.

Funny how you say people shouldnt be dicks but telling a dps their damage output is bad and then kick them is perfectly fine.

[MrBracTJones]

Funny how you say people shouldnt be dicks but telling a dps their damage output is bad and then kick them is perfectly fine.

What he means we shouldn't have to go as far as to hand hold someone on how to dps right. Its one thing to help with fights mechanics.

[Zaft]

Funny how you say people shouldnt be dicks but telling a dps their damage output is bad and then kick them is perfectly fine.

Yes, that is perfectly fine. Let's say you apply for a job as a Cisco router and switch technician. When you show up to the job, you have absolutely no idea how to use Cisco IOS, nor how to configure a switch or router. Do you think you're going to get or keep that job? Absolutely not. It is not their job to teach you, it is YOUR job to take time and teach yourself.

I'm not talking about mechanics here, which vary from fight to fight. I'm talking about being able to do your basic job.

[Stormfur]

This is kind of why I wish we had private parsers, so we could see precisely what numbers we're getting and work on improving them.

[LunaHoshino]

I'm not talking about mechanics here, which vary from fight to fight. I'm talking about being able to do your basic job.

I once had a T9 group where the other DPS were all in solid Ironworks gear and yet we were getting five meteors and two green golems. I eventually ended up just leaving because nothing I could do was going to help them-- the problem wasn't with mechanics, it was that they didn't have the first clue how to play their jobs.

[Devils_Lawyer]

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Yes lets compare real life jobs (where your performance makes the owner money) to video games, that always works.

There is a right way and a wrong way to do things, telling someone they suck then kick them may serve the purpose of getting them out of your sight and content but dont pretend it dosnt make you look like a dick in the process.

Explaining to them they need to work on their rotations in a friendly manor might make them more motivated to actually try harder instead of getting shot down just cause they arnt experts at their class.

[Izsha]

People get carried for free all day every day. If you think people getting carried forward by sellers is destroying the game by letting bads move forward, then you better stop every fight at 2%, see who's dead, wipe the fight and kick them so they don't get carried. Also never carry your friends.

I've carried a lot of tanks through primals for my trial roulette that had no prayer of actually surviving titan hm and other fights, but I rolled up in i130 and gave them a win cuz they hit my trial roulette.

Sellers are just doing what many get done for free anyway. You can't stop bad players from eventually stumbling into a win, so might as well make a buck doing it.

If anything, it hurts the community because it.gives people a scapegoat for their problems instead of facing them. Clear sellers aren't the reason you can't do X. You can't do X because of you.

[StrejdaTom]

Funny how you say people shouldnt be dicks but telling a dps their damage output is bad and then kick them is perfectly fine.

That is completely fine, why should 7 people ditch the chance to clear some content only because someone doesn't do their job right?

I am not against clear selling. If someone has enough money and wants the clear, why shouldn't he be able to buy it? If he tries to sneak into farm parties afterwards people will find that he isn't experienced enough pretty fast anyways.

[Chiramu]

I just ignore every clear run in the PF >.>. What is the point if you have not put the work into it yourself? There is no bragging rights if you have not earned it.