Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Ashkendor]

It's more like they don't have a choice. It's either that or never finding a group, cuz NOBODY wants them.
N O B O D Y.

Tell that to the multiple FCoB learning parties I've jumped into or made with a friend or two. Plenty of us are willing to help, just not when we're trying to farm. Lying and disrupting our farm runs is a great way to end up on the blacklist of the very same people that are willing to help. It's nothing short of shooting yourself in the foot.

[Verdan]

Also don't be an asshole to people while playing videogames.

[Mugiawara]

So...Who bare's the popcorn this time?

[VanilleFang]

So...Who bare's the popcorn this time?

[Malevicton]

So...Who bare's the popcorn this time?

Okay I know grammar nazi's are the most hated people on the internet, but c'mon man...

[AlexionSkylark]

I challenge every one here saying casuals are "victimizing themselves" to log in, and look at your PF for any learning parties for any content that's not T12 or 13.
If you find any, post screenshot here.

Please, do this. Let's see how many we find across servers. Do you guys accept my challenge?

[Dement]

This isn't "victim-thinking". Awnsering the "what I can do to get better" isn't always easy, neither is actually doing it. Sometimes it's not always available. Do you know how many homeless military they are that can't get jobs? No one wants to lie around and do nothing, but sometimes their isn't always a right now. Failing after repeated attempts with no one to go for help leads people to disrepair. Anyone who couldn't find a party in FFXI will agree with me.

Yet that didn't stop me from sitting in Jeuno with my flag up for hours on end.

I hate people who make "coffee is for closers" posts to get popularity that they can't actually backup. These arguments are used by cowards; the moment you disagree or find fault with an argument like this, you are wrong, lazy, scrub, etc. "Oh look the OP is right, look how badass she is." Anyone can say this, you need to actually be constructive about it (which you aren't) and actually back it up (not expecting pick up groups to farm your vanity mount so you can trot about in Mor Dohna like a princess on your My Little Pony to show you helped all the "little people" to feed your bloated ego).

I wouldn't have tried to argue with you either but if you're going to continue a tirade, why not? You're right, right now isn't always available. Sure your learning party may not fill up but you can meet people while you wait. Talk about the fight, learn from one another and friend each other while you wait for others. If they have to go then the next time you're setting up a learning party, you can look for them. The reason these things rarely get off the ground is because no one wants to join a 1/8 party and sit on their hands when other possibilities may arise. If you can start that same learning party with 5/8 people, it has a much higher chance of filling. Is it actual fight experience? No. Is it a step in the process, sure it can be.

Are you joining DF groups? Yes you're going to meet people who are jerks but so what, they don't really owe you anything and words on the internet aren't going to kill you. Are you going to meet people who are worse than you and stymie your progress? Absolutely but if you bitch about them doesn't that make you something of a hypocrite? Are you studying videos and trying to learn the ins and outs of the fight while you wait or are you sitting on your hands getting upset? If you know what to expect when you enter, then all that matters is execution. You just need to see the whole fight once or twice to set up a clear party which has a better chance of filling with experienced people.

Finally, I find it quite ironic that in the forum where elitists/raiders have this stigma of being mean-spirited, spiteful people towards others. Your posts seem to spout unmatched vitriol.

[Dement]

I challenge every one here saying casuals are "victimizing themselves" to log in, and look at your PF for any learning parties for any content that's not T12 or 13.
If you find any, post screenshot here.

Please, do this. Let's see how many we find across servers. Do you guys accept my challenge?

This is a moot point cause I can make my own at any time of the day. Will it fill? Maybe. Can I meet people who are on the same content as I am? Yes. Can I talk to said people. Yes. Next time I'm looking to do this content, can I ask these same people again? Yes. 6/8 Party Finder parties have a higher likelihood of filling than 1/8.

You can also Duty Find it. Will you clear it? Unlikely. Will people bail after a couple of wipes? Maybe. Is it possible to get to meaningful phases and actually learn through it. Yes, you absolutely can.

Is your FC/LS helping you at all? Are they around the same level you are or are they much higher? If they're much higher and they won't help you ever, at all, never going to do it... then why are you in that FC/LS? Alternatively, what do YOU do for the FC/LS? I'm in the top ranks of my small ~40 (15 active) FC and if I see someone asking for help for something I will try to make time. However, how hard I will try will typically be indicative of how much the other offers to help. Does the other person join lower people for their runs? Do they give their time and skills to others? If they do then I'll be much more inclined to force some free time to happen. Hell at the very least be somewhat active in the FC/LS. At the very least say Hello when you log on and try to join in conversations that you can. The more friends you can make, the easier things get cause your friends have friends who have friends. The ONLY legitimate excuse for never helping lower level was prior to the weekly clear cap getting removed. I can't go help someone on T10 if I'm on T11. However, that's no longer an excuse.

[Kinseykinz]

I can mostly agree with you.

However not watching a guide is not the sign of a bad/weak player. To some players the challenge of learning a new fight is more fun then beating it. And often times those players have learned to quickly adapt to new situations and formulate tactics on the fly. This is is skill that is not easily gained and is even harder to obtain if all you ever do is watch/read guides.

All well and good buuuut:

If this is really true, and is for any content more than 1-2 weeks old then if you want the 'fresh' experience, you should look for others also either are:
- willing to let it be 'fresh' for you (IE they don't mind the wipes/don't offer direct instructions/advice unless specifically asked...and if that advice is asked for after a couple attempts....like 'okay, why do I keep dying here, what am i missing' vs. 'okay we just entered, what do we do.' )
-or who also have yet to clear it who also want the 'learn it as we go' and/or 'we beat it all by ourselves' approach.

What happens more often than not though, is these folk who want to avoid looking up basic strategies/videos before entering either:
1. Join a group that expects some basic pre-knowledge of the battle (IE you at least read a quick run down of the mechanics)
2. Joins a group that is in 'clear' mode and thinks it's okay they are the only person not on that page
3. Joins a group, didn't look anything up, but expects everyone else in the party to explain their role/the battle mechanics to them.

In general, if I queue for something, and someone asks 'what do we do in here/I'm new' I don't answer. Why? Google can answer it. And I can heal lots of 'what the hell'. You entered blind....you get to play blind...I am not your Eorzean tour guide. (and technically, by not telling you what to do, I'm letting you 'learn it on your own'...at my own expense I might add) If someone else in the party wants to tell you 'stay out of the pooh' 'boss goes here' 'kill this not that' fine, but I'm not wasting my breath. Not just because you opted out from letting Google be your guide, but because sometimes, that FIRST experience is priceless. (Like I won't tell you about the final boss in brayflox longstop....who cares if we wipe...watching your ass get run over....is satisfaction enough for me).

The greater point. It is absolutely fine to want to 'learn on my own' 'not see spoilers' but then, if that's what you really want, you need to find the proper people to do that with...otherwise, you are wasting other peoples time/trying their patience/or using them to avoid doing your own 'homework'.

[Mugiawara]

Okay I know grammar nazi's are the most hated people on the internet, but c'mon man...

I was going to show you a 'naked popcorn' but don't look it up...just don't lol.
[And yes I realized I think I used that word wrong but now I'm traumatized lol.]

@Malevicton:
LMFAO I'M OUTTA HERE! XDD