Relationship between Bahamut and Midgardsomr?

[Cilia]

While it's true that death isn't really stopping old Middy, as the progenitor of all dragonkind he's probably got special privileges (being able to strip us of Hydaelyn's blessing, resurrecting dead dragons as phantoms during the fight with him, etc). The Wyrmlords / Celestial Dragons are definitely more powerful and long-lived than your average dragon, but as Middy's kids they probably aren't as powerful as he is and can't do all the things he can, though they might have some tricks of their own (Nidhogg being able to influence people through his disembodied eye, f'ex).

That's not to say Bahamut couldn't be corporeally resurrected as Middy was, but we'd need at least his spirit, some aether, and to know exactly how Middy created his whelp minion form if we wanted to do it ourselves.

[Kaiser-Ace]

That's not to say Bahamut couldn't be corporeally resurrected as Middy was, but we'd need at least his spirit, some aether, and to know exactly how Middy created his whelp minion form if we wanted to do it ourselves.

No, Bahamut would need that. Assuming we've killed him "For good" in coil (Or he's just poofed if coil isn't canonised) then why the heck would WE bring him back. No there are many things the dragons know that we don't. So ALL of celestial dragons could be able to make new corporeal vessels upon death for all we know.

[Duuude007]

While it's true that death isn't really stopping old Middy, as the progenitor of all dragonkind he's probably got special privileges (being able to strip us of Hydaelyn's blessing, resurrecting dead dragons as phantoms during the fight with him, etc). The Wyrmlords / Celestial Dragons are definitely more powerful and long-lived than your average dragon, but as Middy's kids they probably aren't as powerful as he is and can't do all the things he can, though they might have some tricks of their own (Nidhogg being able to influence people through his disembodied eye, f'ex).

That's not to say Bahamut couldn't be corporeally resurrected as Middy was, but we'd need at least his spirit, some aether, and to know exactly how Middy created his whelp minion form if we wanted to do it ourselves.

I have little doubt that when 3.0 story progresses, the whelp will evolve into a flying mount sized dragon.

[Cilia]

No, Bahamut would need that. Assuming we've killed him "For good" in coil (Or he's just poofed if coil isn't canonised) then why the heck would WE bring him back. No there are many things the dragons know that we don't. So ALL of celestial dragons could be able to make new corporeal vessels upon death for all we know.

Maybe, but that would imply that pretty much any dragon can be reincarnated as long as their spirit is lingering in the world and there's enough aether. Admittedly that's a definite possibility given how Middy resurrects dragons during the fight against him (albeit as phantoms), but I don't find that likely.

As for why we'd want or need to resurrect Bahamut...? Given his animosity and rage, I can't think of a solid reason right now. Perhaps we need to win the Celestial Dragons' favor, or to convince them all to stop the Dragonsong War, or their assistance to prevent the next Calamity; can't do that if Bahamut's taking a dirt nap. Maybe his defeat at the end of the Coil and time existing only in the aether has soothed his rage (not counting on it). Or maybe the Dravanians will do it. Since we don't know if the primal Bahamut and the Wyrmlord / Celestial Dragon Bahamut are one and the same, it's possible Wyrmlord Bahamut doesn't have the animosity primal Bahamut does, or is otherwise more reasonable.

There's just not enough information to do much more than speculate.

I have little doubt that when 3.0 story progresses, the whelp will evolve into a flying mount sized dragon.

First thing that came to my mind when they showed we're somehow getting a dragon mount.

[Frederick22]

That's not to say Bahamut couldn't be corporeally resurrected as Middy was, but we'd need at least his spirit, some aether, and to know exactly how Middy created his whelp minion form if we wanted to do it ourselves.

Wouldnt be awesome to find out that the TRUE Bahamut still lives? I mean its possible right? There could still be some chanses he yet lives, and that the primal Bahamut was a total different thing that was created by the Meracydians on their desesperation to be saved. Something like King Moogle Mog.

[Cilia]

Wouldnt be awesome to find out that the TRUE Bahamut still lives? I mean its possible right? There could still be some chanses he yet lives, and that the primal Bahamut was a total different thing that was created by the Meracydians on their desesperation to be saved. Something like King Moogle Mog.

Definite possibility I've considered. Louisoix's statement that Bahamut "arose from the abyss of death and took wing as the Meracydians' newborn god" is just a little ambiguous; it's clear he was dead before primal Bahamut was summoned, but whether Wyrmlord Bahamut was truly resurrected as a primal or the primal Bahamut is simply a shadow of the genuine article fashioned in his image is debatable.

On the one hand we've got primals like Good King Moggle Mog XII and Shiva, clearly patterned after real historical figures but definitely not the genuine article. On the other, we've got Louisoix, who was able to transcend mortality and become a primal. Whether primal Bahamut belongs to the former or latter case I don't know; the only thing that's certain is that Bahamut was one of the seven Wyrmlords and died prior to the late Third Astral Era.

[MercuryD]

We should take into account that yes, Bahamut the wyrmking and Bahamut the primal are likely similar, the primal is usually given the mindset of its summoners (in this case, rancor and revenge)

[Frederick22]

Definite possibility I've considered. Louisoix's statement that Bahamut "arose from the abyss of death and took wing as the Meracydians' newborn god" is just a little ambiguous; it's clear he was dead before primal Bahamut was summoned, but whether Wyrmlord Bahamut was truly resurrected as a primal or the primal Bahamut is simply a shadow of the genuine article fashioned in his image is debatable.

On the one hand we've got primals like Good King Moggle Mog XII and Shiva, clearly patterned after real historical figures but definitely not the genuine article. On the other, we've got Louisoix, who was able to transcend mortality and become a primal. Whether primal Bahamut belongs to the former or latter case I don't know; the only thing that's certain is that Bahamut was one of the seven Wyrmlords and died prior to the late Third Astral Era.

We can only wait and see what will come.

[StarDrake]

If we go by the "patch chronology" conceit which will need to be played in order for Alisaie or Nero to show up again in the Main Scenario (if their respective raids must stay optional), then there's actually nothing preventing Bahamut from being summoned again at some point in Heavensward or the upcoming patch cycle.

Let's just let that sink in.

Frankly, I've been expecting this one since at least 2.2 when we got the explanation of Final Fantasy metaphysics and the Lifestream. To wit:

"So we're eventually going to take out Bahamut for good this patch cycle. We can be sure of that. This will return him to the Lifestream.

Where he can be summoned again.

Isn't this a bad idea, on some level?"

Now who'd summon him, that's another question...

[Fenral]

"Isn't this a bad idea, on some level?"

Right?

With enough "belief" (not to be confused with "believers") and a sufficient quantity of aether, anyone can summon a Primal. Even Gilgamesh.

Even with the Meracydians, Bahamut's primary worshipers, gone, if some other sufficiently devout congregation were to, say, attempt to call together any and all of Midgardsormr's seven progeny for one final assault on their ancient enemy, those unable to answer the call directly could still be made manifest as Primals if an adequate toll were to be paid. This would actually not be so different from the summoning of Good King Moggle Mog XII, but probably not nearly as fluffy and adorable.

All this is just from what we know of Primal summonings, but supposedly the rules are going to change big time come Heavensward. Won't that be fun.