"Everyone whos been complaining about summoners read this"

[Sakurakiss123]

I think people just need to have a little faith in SE. I mean look how Yoshi-P and his team brought back FFXIV from the ashes, and now it's one of the greatest MMO's/FF's of all time! If they can do that then they can definitely bring something new to SMN that works and makes the masses happy. Trust and believe people, tis a glorious day!

thats what am saying . they did it before they gonna do it again. this gonna be huge I seen video's of dragoon limit break. i promise you this summoners gonna have one of highest damaging limit breaks cause it would be a grand summoning or that would allow us to control a primal sized like pet. on battle

say hello to the real ifirit all your comrades is dead the ones you defended betrayed you. you have creater of lesser primals inside you. yup with midgardsomrs assistance you can very well summon a primal

[Viviza]

"Heavily reworked" is somewhat hopeful as balance goes. Dragoons and Warriors saw pretty heavy tweaking that very much helped their position, so SE's reputation on this sort of thing is good. Combined with the release of an expansion, there's a lot of flexibility to completely change casting priorities and potencies.

After having messed around with Summoner for a bit, I can safely say that personally for me the pets are the least interesting part of the job. If they were to rework SMN but make a whole DoT class that worked similarly I'd find that more fun.

I think anyone expecting the fundamentals of the egis and dots being changed is going to be disappointed. Those are the core mechanics of summoners in FFXIV -- it's supported by lore and quests that summoner branch off arcanists and their rather unusual array of non-elemental spells, and that the egis lower level primals that you can carry around with you. People on the forums need to accept this and either play the job or find something they enjoy. The endless complaining is tedious and not productive.

i promise you this summoners gonna have one of highest damaging limit breaks

Sincerely doubt this. Why use any other LB if summoner hits hardest? They're all going to be the same with different animations.

[Nutz]

Sincerely doubt this. Why use any other LB if summoner hits hardest? They're all going to be the same with different animations.

I'm actually a little bit unsure about this. It will probably be the case that they're all more or less the same, but BRD is switching types of LB and we're getting 3 all together new ones with the new jobs as well. I expect that they'll be very balanced in that any 2 that deal direct single target damage will deal the same damage, any 2 that deal aoe damage will deal the same damage, etc. They might find it in themselves to add a little bit of variety though, ie. certain limit breaks conferring buffs/ debuffs as well. Of course, it seems that this will only be for LB 3 though since LB1 and 2 are reportedly unchanged. Actually, that makes me wonder what they're doing with BRD for LB1 and LB2... are they grouped in with BLM/SMN, will they need to run up to the mob and attack with their bow as though it's a sword, or will their LB1/2 still be healing?

[Dyvid]

thats what am saying . they did it before they gonna do it again. this gonna be huge I seen video's of dragoon limit break. i promise you this summoners gonna have one of highest damaging limit breaks cause it would be a grand summoning or that would allow us to control a primal sized like pet. on battle

say hello to the real ifirit all your comrades is dead the ones you defended betrayed you. you have creater of lesser primals inside you. yup with midgardsomrs assistance you can very well summon a primal

Ah the limit breaks will be the same as now but animation is different for whichever job cast it.

[Alberel]

Seeing this from a design standpoint Summoners needed some significant adjustments for Heavensward even when completely ignoring balance issues. It's been confirmed several times that we'd be getting Leviathan-egi and Ramuh-egi in 3.0 and there's even some hints at Shiva as well. Given the way our current egis are designed the new pets would either totally eclipse them or be dead on arrival. If there's one major change SE will make to SMNs it will be completely redesigning the pets to ensure the new ones have a unique role in our skillset.

Beyond that and the obvious tri-disaster change there's no way of knowing what they intend.

thats what am saying . they did it before they gonna do it again. this gonna be huge I seen video's of dragoon limit break. i promise you this summoners gonna have one of highest damaging limit breaks cause it would be a grand summoning or that would allow us to control a primal sized like pet. on battle

say hello to the real ifirit all your comrades is dead the ones you defended betrayed you. you have creater of lesser primals inside you. yup with midgardsomrs assistance you can very well summon a primal

The new limit breaks all have the same damage as the current ones so no one will have the 'highest'. All melees will do the same damage as Final Heaven, just with a unique job-specific animation. All casters will do the exact same as Meteor, just with a job-specific animation. This has been stated explicitly several times by Yoshi ever since he first announced the plans for limit breaks last year.

The only exception is BRD which will get a unique animation but will also be switching to the new ranged limit break introduced with machinist.

[Spellbinder]

Seeing this from a design standpoint Summoners needed some significant adjustments for Heavensward even when completely ignoring balance issues. It's been confirmed several times that we'd be getting Leviathan-egi and Ramuh-egi in 3.0 and there's even some hints at Shiva as well. Given the way our current egis are designed the new pets would either totally eclipse them or be dead on arrival. If there's one major change SE will make to SMNs it will be completely redesigning the pets to ensure the new ones have a unique role in our skillset.

This. People are alway saying "No, don't change my class. It's fine," but if they don't address this potentially glaring issue, it won't be fine in the long run.