More fun times in WoD

[Kuwaitum]

Not saying healers absolutely have to DPS, however you're also dead weight if your group is more than capable of pulling through trash/bosses without the need to heal and you are sitting there doing nothing.

Healers are healers, I thank healers if they DPS. They are like Policemen, you don't say Policemen are doing nothing -just sitting and waiting- because thier job comes in when the alarm ticks. Well, they can help the old lady to cross the street.. but that's something they give on their own and not what they should be doing.

[Chihaya]

Soulstones can be overrated.

Kay, if WoD is such a great measurement.

How about some T9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE-jJDSG8E

[Adire]

Great analogy Kuwaitum!

Kay, if WoD is such a great measurement.

How about some T9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE-jJDSG8E

Edit again: Yeahhh, I think I got the wrong first impression from your post. Sorry about that! That's what I get for going on the forums half asleep.

Soulstones can be overrated, proven by this video once again!

[Rendecrow]

All I'm getting out of this thread is people saying, "It's ok to not play optimally because other people play worse than me!" O.o That just does not sit right with me, lol. I always try to play my characters as best I can.

Am I missing something....? Or is that really what this thread pretty much sums up to?

[Lyrinn]

Darn, you're right. I'll try to remember to be the only one out of 24 players to use food and potions next time. Have to be optimal all the time, after all, no time for fun.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

All I'm getting out of this thread is people saying, "It's ok to not play optimally because other people play worse than me!" O.o That just does not sit right with me, lol. I always try to play my characters as best I can.

Am I missing something....? Or is that really what this thread pretty much sums up to?

That would explain why DF is so horrible.

[Rendecrow]

Darn, you're right. I'll try to remember to be the only one out of 24 players to use food and potions next time. Have to be optimal all the time, after all, no time for fun.

Honestly food and potions is really not asking that much.... Just because you are playing optimally does not mean you are not having fun....

All I'm getting out of this thread is people saying, "It's ok to not play optimally because other people play worse than me!" O.o

[Ashkendor]

Honestly food and potions is really not asking that much.... Just because you are playing optimally does not mean you are not having fun....

Seriously? I don't use food in anything below T13. If you wanna get down to the 'playing optimally' debate, then people should be in there on their best geared class instead of on alts. All rolls should be greed rolls to avoid unfairness.

[Teryaani]

OP, I'm in the ranks of people that would have rolled their eyes, but as long as you were doing your stuff, would have not said anything.

Kiroh is right that the tone of responses is just weird. You said you did it because you were bored. Own that rather than making up excuses when people give you crap for it.

"You're imposing on 23 other people"
"I didn't screw things up and I was bored"

People can chide for you being a small bit trolly, but you've already said your peace at that point and you're right that you didn't cause the wipes.

But is a conjurer good enough to heal the place 100% efficiently and still not put extra burden on the other healer? Definitely. You get Medica and Medica II as a conjurer. You get cure 1, 2 and 3. I never used things like benediction and divine seal healing WoD. It's WoD, not T13. Not Savage coils. WoD. Do you need divine seal and regen? No, you do not. All that stuff does is allow you to watch Youtube while you're playing the place. You go in as a conjurer? Oh then you gotta work harder that's all.

What I find illogical is how serious people take WoD and how people are incapable of understanding what exactly you need to run the place efficiently.

With the number of half-arsed AFK-Laden Fail-tastic WoD runs I've seen, there is good reason to take that thing seriously. No the mechanics aren't hard, but if half the party is dying to mortal gaze or not attacking clouds or focusing down one dragon head or whatever, it gets frustrating. It's annoying to have a wipe, only to retry and suddenly it's fast and flawless because it means that everyone was screwing around.

I do get annoyed with the "classes are just as good as jobs" stuff on the forums. Yes you can make it work, but you have to know exactly what you're doing and most don't.

[Aethaeryn]

That question is for "I just heal players"
According to their logic good news brd no more need to play songs. You are dps. Who cares if everyone runs out of mana. I get that you are saying dps as healer is optional but you need to put way more context. So any new player understands that you are playing less than your best if you do this.

That's not the same thing at all. I gave examples to make my point, but I suppose it was your choice not to read them. Adire covered everything I could have said beyond that.

Not saying healers absolutely have to DPS, however you're also dead weight if your group is more than capable of pulling through trash/bosses without the need to heal and you are sitting there doing nothing.

Like I said before, I agree there's a problem if someone is flat out being lazy. That's why I wasn't limiting my argument to just WoD (but I suppose it's normal to do that when the thread is about something that took place in WoD).

To give another non-WoD example: I have had several dungeons where a WHM was not experienced enough or comfortable with using holy during huge speedrun pulls, and someone in the party harassed them for not doing it to speed up the dungeon. Not everyone is comfortable with doing that for a variety of reasons. Lack of experience, lack of coordination, tunnel vision problems. It took me some practice to be able to handle using holy on huge pulls comfortably, and I take a lot of things into consideration before I do it--Tank gear, tank skill, dps gear and skill, my current MP, how fast things are dying. It didn't take me long to figure it all out, but not everyone has the same gaming background. Some healers can't even keep the tank alive without using holy.

I can't stand when someone harasses a player for not feeling comfortable playing that way, and I will continue to defend them here and in parties regardless of the knee-jerk reactions I receive.