Cinematics and FFXIV

[Pterois]

the most important thing i'm try to say here is that with in-game scenes we click through, or could conceivably walk away from and come back to later (except a few scenes), the sense of being there and experiencing whats happening is kinda lost because they have to lay down some generic ass background music and sacrifice timing (which is very important in even telling a joke) kinda like if you had to click through the dialog in a movie lol, the impact would be lost on a lot of things. i don't mind reading at all but for scenes that feel like they are ment to be more of a video... just go all out. regardless of how much time it take, this game will be one of SE's bigger money makers soon so it kinda warrants it.

and yes, while the vid at the end of t12 is an "extension" of the ARR intro... it is still the conclusion of the coil of bahamut and is a good example of what i'm talking about. and it wouldn't have come close to that amount of epicness if it were in-game graphics.

[Velo_Vandore]

and yes, while the vid at the end of t12 is an "extension" of the ARR intro... it is still the conclusion of the coil of bahamut and is a good example of what i'm talking about. and it wouldn't have come close to that amount of epicness if it were in-game graphics.

So this cutscene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xOOFCltZuc is actually shown in game after beating Turn 12? I agree this is an awesome treat for completing coil (wish i hadn't spoilered it by watching on youtube). Basically a few more fantastic scenes woven into the game progression like that would be great and in my opinion well worth the time spent working on.

[Pterois]

So this cutscene - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xOOFCltZuc is actually shown in game after beating Turn 12? I agree this is an awesome treat for completing coil (wish i hadn't spoilered it by watching on youtube). Basically a few more fantastic scenes woven into the game progression like that would be great and in my opinion well worth the time spent working on.

yep, i have yet to beat t9 myself but the shear amount of study needed to clear these fights kinda spoils themselves which is unfortunate... still epic non the less. pure goosebumps when he goes full DBZ lol

[Sapphic]

i'd actually argue that one. It's less an independent cutscene and more an extension of the pre-existing cutscene. It's very clear they made the FCOB out-of-engine cutscene at the same time as the End of an Era cutscene. The fact that some of the details don't completely mesh with the in-engine cutscenes is evidence of that to me. They even have it that way on the YouTube channel now.

Irrelevant, only way to see it in game is in FCoB. And it expands on the story in FCoB showing what happened after the WoLs where zapped into the future, with Bahamut and how Louisoix became Phoenix.

[kyuven]

Irrelevant, only way to see it in game is in FCoB. And it expands on the story in FCoB showing what happened after the WoLs where zapped into the future, with Bahamut and how Louisoix became Phoenix.

doesn't change that it's mechanically a pre-existing cutscene given as a "reward" for beating t12.
It's the exception that proves the rule.
What most likely happened was the full cutscene was created as part of the end of an era cutscene, but when looking over it they realized "Maybe we should keep this part ambiguous?" and split it off for later. The t12 cutscene was not created with t12 in mind, t12 was created with the cutscene in mind.
Especially since the HW trailer has been shown to use out-of-engine renditions of things that happen in-engine, which tells me this will be the route they will take down the road. We will very likely not be seeing any out-of-engine cutscenes for the game ever again.

[Nyalia]

Irrelevant, only way to see it in game is in FCoB. And it expands on the story in FCoB showing what happened after the WoLs where zapped into the future, ...

Spoiler tags, please.

[Pterois]

looks like i'm not the only one asking this question now.... huge Q&A about cinematics at the later half of the letter from the producer live XX

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...67#post2919167

..with a whole bunch of insight on the process.

We will very likely not be seeing any out-of-engine cutscenes for the game ever again.

and why would you want to be even remotely correct in saying this??? it's just depressing Given what im reading in this most recient letter i'm gonna have to disagree with you.

[Felis]

and why would you want to be even remotely correct in saying this??? it's just depressing Given what im reading in this most recient letter i'm gonna have to disagree with you.

Have read it and it is mostly about the 3.0 opening and how they began to work on the 1.0 ending during summer 2011. Expect the next GC movie to be the 4.0 opening, but not a ingame CS.

[Izsha]

Each cinematic they have made takes roughly a year start to finish.

We aren't just gonna get them tossed at us willy nilly. You get one or 2 with the base game. And generally 1 per expansion. Check out the blizzard games cinematics. It's the same deal there.

People see a 1 min pretty clip in a game and don't realize how absurdly expensive and time consuming they are to make. High quality fully rendered cinematics are mind bogglingly expensive to make. How many millions of dollars did it cost to make avatar? And the majority of that cost was CG creation. WoW movie coming out next year was filmed a year ago, but they are doing EIGHTEEN MONTHS of post production stuff.

Requests like this are so unrealistic when you realize what it takes to make them. There is a VERY GOOD reason games use their own in-game engines to create 99% of their cut scenes.

[Enkidoh]

Each cinematic they have made takes roughly a year start to finish.

We aren't just gonna get them tossed at us willy nilly. You get one or 2 with the base game. And generally 1 per expansion. Check out the blizzard games cinematics. It's the same deal there.

People see a 1 min pretty clip in a game and don't realize how absurdly expensive and time consuming they are to make. High quality fully rendered cinematics are mind bogglingly expensive to make. How many millions of dollars did it cost to make avatar? And the majority of that cost was CG creation. WoW movie coming out next year was filmed a year ago, but they are doing EIGHTEEN MONTHS of post production stuff.

Requests like this are so unrealistic when you realize what it takes to make them. There is a VERY GOOD reason games use their own in-game engines to create 99% of their cut scenes.

^Exactly. Pre rendered cinematics or FMV scenes are expensive and time-consuming to produce, time and money that could be better spent developing actual game play, with a scene that could have a pre-rendered cinematic could just have a cutscene rendered in the actual game engine for far cheaper, and pretty much has the same effect. The End of an Era trailer was different, as that wasn't even in 1.0 itself - it was hosted separately on SE's Youtube channel that a link to was added onto the 1.0 launcher immediately after 1.0 went offline.

Also the earlier FF games kind of abused FMVs to the point it kind of made players expect all future FF games to be the same way, not realizing the whole original idea for FMVs in FFVII in the first place was just a clever way to hide data loading off the disc by the console (this is why FFVII particularly had a lot of odd FMVs of mundane events, like a lift going up and down - it was a glorified animated loading screen).

Besides, we're meant to be playing a game here, not watching an interactive movie - you want the later, go play FFXIII.