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    Quote Originally Posted by Odowla View Post
    I would highly reccomend usinh more than 390 skillspeed, and dont even try it under 381, unless you have Fey Light - youll drop greased. Also do a fracture after the second Demo - it gets every buff.

    Let me know if you want help maximizing t13 -you can get monster parses in 7 mans.
    Also i think we should reconsider our cooldown rotations to maximize potion usage
    I manage perfectly fine with 375 sks using a similar opener to you. 2 pots, ToD after PB and so on. And that's from the EU. Although 375 sks sucks the big one in terms of how the class then feels. Slow, slow, slow....

    aaaand just tried with base skill speed still perfectly doable. Whether this transfers over to the coil instances I don't know though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GageRage View Post
    I manage perfectly fine with 375 sks using a similar opener to you. 2 pots, ToD after PB and so on. And that's from the EU. Although 375 sks sucks the big one in terms of how the class then feels. Slow, slow, slow....

    aaaand just tried with base skill speed still perfectly doable. Whether this transfers over to the coil instances I don't know though.
    There's no way you're getting it with 375 if you're going Demo > Snap > Snap, the demo refresh is 0.2 of a second at 400 skillspeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odowla View Post
    There's no way you're getting it with 375 if you're going Demo > Snap > Snap, the demo refresh is 0.2 of a second at 400 skillspeed.
    If I had to guess I'd say Snap > Snap > Demo because of the refresh delay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricdeau View Post
    If I had to guess I'd say Snap > Snap > Demo because of the refresh delay.
    But then it makes it not realllly that similar; the reason its so tight is the demo first :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odowla View Post
    But then it makes it not realllly that similar; the reason its so tight is the demo first :/
    Oh, I agree, but that's the only way I see it being perfectly manageable at that low on SS. It's somewhat similar if you only count PB as your opener instead of the rotation right after too which should be factored in as we both know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odowla View Post
    There's no way you're getting it with 375 if you're going Demo > Snap > Snap, the demo refresh is 0.2 of a second at 400 skillspeed.
    And proof! Granted the 341 sks was a mix up on my part I did revert to the snap snap demo and paid no attention so disregard.

    Test 1
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    Granted I change it up after the Demo and obviously drop DK for DK itself. But that's muscle memory kicking in and I prefer the flank to back to flank to back combo much better (don't ask me why ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GageRage View Post
    And proof! Granted the 341 sks was a mix up on my part I did revert to the snap snap demo and paid no attention so disregard.

    Test 1
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    Granted I change it up after the Demo and obviously drop DK for DK itself. But that's muscle memory kicking in and I prefer the flank to back to flank to back combo much better (don't ask me why ).
    I feel like back > side > back> does more dps.. lol. not sure now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odowla View Post
    I feel like back > side > back> does more dps.. lol. not sure now.
    Yeah, whenever I talked to you before about it I felt the same way, but I couldn't ever pin the increase to anything other than dumb luck on crits on the right moves. My parses were on the higher end more often doing that though. I just can't keep up with it and usually end up messing up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odowla View Post
    I feel like back > side > back> does more dps.. lol. not sure now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ricdeau View Post
    Yeah, whenever I talked to you before about it I felt the same way, but I couldn't ever pin the increase to anything other than dumb luck on crits on the right moves. My parses were on the higher end more often doing that though. I just can't keep up with it and usually end up messing up.
    It's more of an illusion I feel. In reality we're hitting the same abilities. However with the way I rotate my abilities I have a high potency ability or two per 3 gcd cluster (Bootshine - True Strike - Snap). Whereas you guys always have a 3 gcd section with DK-Twin (with one of two finishers possibly 3 if you account for rockbreaker :P) therefore creating an illusion that the flank is weaker dps, which in reality it is assuming no crits and assuming you always meet the requirement for bootshine.

    Just my thoughts anyway. Hope it made sense haha. I'm generally fluid with both ways of performing the rotation and find it shifts quite a lot when you peel to attack an add.
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    Yep, swapping the dancing steps on the fly is fun, and really helps on add phases and such, but you should desync it on a dummy on purpse TBH to practice.
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