Give PLD In-Combat Raise? (3.0?)

[rawker]

dont get me wrong. i am not all against battle raise as a paladin but if given a choice, i'd rather see considerable increase in our cures first before i worry raising healers. as i also play smn, that's the only utility they have to net them a slot in a party. if plds are able to battle raise as we speak, that might even put smn in an even problematic scenario.

[Steady]

dont get me wrong. i am not all against battle raise as a paladin but if given a choice, i'd rather see considerable increase in our cures first before i worry raising healers. as i also play smn, that's the only utility they have to net them a slot in a party. if plds are able to battle raise as we speak, that might even put smn in an even problematic scenario.

Summoner has it's own problems... but utility ain't one of them.

Yes, Paladins need a Cure buff too, or maybe access to bigger cure spells. Or maybe a formula that was VIT based or too VIT into account.

The big irritation I have with logic in threads about Pld vs. War vs. anything... is that people want to make Paladin more like Warrior in terms of damage out, instead of embracing that it should lean more towards it's Holy/White Mage roots. Paladin shouldn't do more physical damage... it SHOULD get more utility.

[HeavensSword]

Summoner has it's own problems... but utility ain't one of them.

Yes, Paladins need a Cure buff too, or maybe access to bigger cure spells. Or maybe a formula that was VIT based or too VIT into account.

The big irritation I have with logic in threads about Pld vs. War vs. anything... is that people want to make Paladin more like Warrior in terms of damage out, instead of embracing that it should lean more towards it's Holy/White Mage roots. Paladin shouldn't do more physical damage... it SHOULD get more utility.

I was about to post something similar. If they add more holy/healing magic to PLD, I'd like for them to increase our base Mind or like you mention, use a stat that we have abundance of for the calculation. Maybe even if it were at least a trait that changed the stat from MND to VIT for certain magic calculation like Cure. Give access to Cure II, etc. I want to feel more like a Paladin; they don't have to overdo it where PLD becomes a self-sustaining beast, but at least use Cures as a form of active mitigation and emnity generation.

[radioactive_lego]

I was about to post something similar. If they add more holy/healing magic to PLD, I'd like for them to increase our base Mind or like you mention, use a stat that we have abundance of for the calculation. Maybe even if it were at least a trait that changed the stat from MND to VIT for certain magic calculation like Cure. Give access to Cure II, etc. I want to feel more like a Paladin; they don't have to overdo it where PLD becomes a self-sustaining beast, but at least use Cures as a form of active mitigation and emnity generation.

Agreed.

I don't want to steer this conversation to a PLD vs WAR thread, but WAR's ability to self-heal through IR & Bzrk+BB+heal chain (or o/p when fighting multiples) is a much greater burst heal than the PLD can muster spamming cure on himself. I'm actually OK with this. I want PLD to be a turtle and mitigate rather than regain. I don't care for access to cure II, or enhanced cure I. However, the essence of mitigation is utility.

If a functional Esuna was given to PLD rather than a useless raise, I don't think this thread would have started. If a PLD could pull a paralyze status off a WHM or himself, I think that'd be awesome, and fall completely in line with PLD dmg mitigation vs WAR dmg soaking.

That said, Esuna isn't cross-class. PLD got raise. At least make it useful.