Show me the MANA!

[mp-please]

Let's try to see this on a different way. We all know both sch and whm are pretty similar but people like to cry that they're extremely different.
While silly, let's compare healers like sports cars and their fuel consumption.

*All values are approximate, no crits or healing buffs were considered (rouse/divine seal/PoM)

10 second rotation
WHM : Cure I > Cure I > Cure II [352 mp (skill cost - 180 mp from server tick)]
SCH : Adlo > Physick + Embrace > Physick + Embrace [405 mp (skill cost - 180 mp from server tick)]

20 second rotation
WHM : Regen [186 MP]
SCH : Lustrate [0 MP]

30 Second rotation (aoe)
WHM : Medica II [452 MP]
SCH : Succor [399 MP]

Let us mash everything.

WHM : 3574 MP/min
SCH : 3228 MP/min

Since shroud of saints have a 3 min cooldown, let's put all of this to 3 min format and take out the amount of mp we can restore from the usage.
*Assuming both players have 5k mp, aetherflow should restore 1k mp per use and shroud 1600 ish.

WHM : 5548 MP/2min
SCH : 4456 MP/2min

And finally, cure II has 15% chance of costing 0 mp, that's roughly 1 on 6 cure I casts will make freecure come up.
In 2 minutes worth we're casting 24 cure Is which should give us 4 freecures saving 1064 mp. Which puts us at.

WHM : 4484 MP/2 mins
SCH : 4456 MP/2 min

Almost no difference in mp

[Oriens]

So yea, in the end, the difference between both healer performances (in non crit spamming at least) is 900 mp and 6000 hp healed. Not that much now is it?

Not taking sides in this debate but you forgot to acknowledge Eos/Selene in this equation.

[mp-please]

Not taking sides in this debate but you forgot to acknowledge Eos/Selene in this equation.

Yes and no, while all that math is extremely flawed when it comes to actual gameplay, i decided to keep whispering dawn out from it due most scholars preferring selene. Adding it only decrease the hp healed difference to under 1k, my point was mostly towards mp used regardless.

[Oriens]

Yes and no, while all that math is extremely flawed when it comes to actual gameplay, i decided to keep whispering dawn out from it due most scholars preferring selene. Adding it only decrease the hp healed difference to under 1k, my point was mostly towards mp used regardless.

It's fine. I find the conversation/debate truly ridiculous. I play both jobs and am grateful for my cohealers. You can really tell when you're paired with a bad one >_<

[Nerael]

It's fine. I find the conversation/debate truly ridiculous. I play both jobs and am grateful for my cohealers. You can really tell when you're paired with a bad one >_<

Agreed, we should be bashing lousy healers, not our friendly neighborhood SCH or WHM that makes our life easier.
When me and me Co-Healer team up we always que as WHM&SCH even though we both have both classes at respectable ilvl's.

I'm always happy when EOS or Selene is around on my WHM, works great with small pocket heals while I heal up the large damage. My Co-healing SCH will be focusing on topping them off and adding a little shield preventing further damage. Large AOE Damage? Succor + Sacred Soil + Divine Seal +Medica II and BAM everyone back at full health near instantly with some damage mitigating effects to boot.

[Slib]

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Let us mash everything.

WHM : 3574 MP/min
SCH : 3228 MP/min

Since shroud of saints have a 3 min cooldown, let's put all of this to 3 min format and take out the amount of mp we can restore from the usage.
*Assuming both players have 5k mp, aetherflow should restore 1k mp per use and shroud 1600 ish.

WHM : 9122 MP/3min
SCH : 6684 MP/3min
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What happened here? How did WHM go from 3574 mp / min to 9122/3min after mentioning 1600 mp gained from shroud vs 3000 gained from scholar from aetherflow, yet you say scholars 6684 mp /3min from 3228 mp/min?

Why is scholar so behind when Aetherflow restores more mp than Shroud?

[mp-please]

What happened here? How did WHM go from 3574 mp / min to 9122/3min after mentioning 1600 mp gained from shroud vs 3000 gained from scholar from aetherflow, yet you say scholars 6684 mp /3min from 3228 mp/min?

Why is scholar so behind when Aetherflow restores more mp than Shroud?

I deducted mp restored by both mp regen skills (except energy drain)

Aetherflow on a sch with 5k mp = +1k mp per min, shroud = ~1600/ 3 mins
3574*3 = 10722 - 1600 = 9122
3228*3 = 9684 - 3000 = 6684

[Tint]

[...] Since shroud of saints have a 3 min cooldown, let's put all of this to 3 min format [...]

the cooldown is only 2 minutes

I deducted mp restored by both mp regen skills (except energy drain)

Aetherflow on a sch with 5k mp = +1k mp per min, shroud = ~1600/ 3 mins
3574*3 = 10722 - 1600 = 9122
3228*3 = 9684 - 3000 = 6684

and that makes sense... why?

[mp-please]

the cooldown is only 2 minutes

well f... i made that when i was about to go to sleep. i'll fix that now

and that makes sense... why?

I made that all based on performance, how much mp a class loses per min if they're spamming the rotation mentioned. In that case i have to deduct mp gains and possible freebies. Regardless that was all figurative, nobody heals like that, nobody has reasons to heal like that ever.