Show me the MANA!

[Nerael]

It's fine. I find the conversation/debate truly ridiculous. I play both jobs and am grateful for my cohealers. You can really tell when you're paired with a bad one >_<

Agreed, we should be bashing lousy healers, not our friendly neighborhood SCH or WHM that makes our life easier.
When me and me Co-Healer team up we always que as WHM&SCH even though we both have both classes at respectable ilvl's.

I'm always happy when EOS or Selene is around on my WHM, works great with small pocket heals while I heal up the large damage. My Co-healing SCH will be focusing on topping them off and adding a little shield preventing further damage. Large AOE Damage? Succor + Sacred Soil + Divine Seal +Medica II and BAM everyone back at full health near instantly with some damage mitigating effects to boot.

[Slib]

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Let us mash everything.

WHM : 3574 MP/min
SCH : 3228 MP/min

Since shroud of saints have a 3 min cooldown, let's put all of this to 3 min format and take out the amount of mp we can restore from the usage.
*Assuming both players have 5k mp, aetherflow should restore 1k mp per use and shroud 1600 ish.

WHM : 9122 MP/3min
SCH : 6684 MP/3min
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What happened here? How did WHM go from 3574 mp / min to 9122/3min after mentioning 1600 mp gained from shroud vs 3000 gained from scholar from aetherflow, yet you say scholars 6684 mp /3min from 3228 mp/min?

Why is scholar so behind when Aetherflow restores more mp than Shroud?

[mp-please]

What happened here? How did WHM go from 3574 mp / min to 9122/3min after mentioning 1600 mp gained from shroud vs 3000 gained from scholar from aetherflow, yet you say scholars 6684 mp /3min from 3228 mp/min?

Why is scholar so behind when Aetherflow restores more mp than Shroud?

I deducted mp restored by both mp regen skills (except energy drain)

Aetherflow on a sch with 5k mp = +1k mp per min, shroud = ~1600/ 3 mins
3574*3 = 10722 - 1600 = 9122
3228*3 = 9684 - 3000 = 6684

[Tint]

[...] Since shroud of saints have a 3 min cooldown, let's put all of this to 3 min format [...]

the cooldown is only 2 minutes

I deducted mp restored by both mp regen skills (except energy drain)

Aetherflow on a sch with 5k mp = +1k mp per min, shroud = ~1600/ 3 mins
3574*3 = 10722 - 1600 = 9122
3228*3 = 9684 - 3000 = 6684

and that makes sense... why?

[mp-please]

the cooldown is only 2 minutes

well f... i made that when i was about to go to sleep. i'll fix that now

and that makes sense... why?

I made that all based on performance, how much mp a class loses per min if they're spamming the rotation mentioned. In that case i have to deduct mp gains and possible freebies. Regardless that was all figurative, nobody heals like that, nobody has reasons to heal like that ever.

[Yumi_umi]

All of this only really applies to pre formed parties/ statics or a lucky group where everyone knows their roles.
U cannot solo heal bad parties that get hit by stuff they shouldn't.
Try qeuing up as an over geared healer for ultima hm. Chances r u'll get a party filled with a lot of 1st timers ( cuz they just wanna clear it ) who will eat a lot of aoes and eventually die. You know u shouldn't rez them cuz weakness/ brink of death is wrecking their max hp but u have to so the party can meet dps check. Decisions decisions.
I know from farming it for the ultima card ( ironically i got it from a gold pack ) all those wasted runs gg.

[Tanthalus]

The math to break it down is fun and all but completely irrelevant given that this game doesn't have many oppurtunities for you to stand and cast a pattern. Especially as a healer. The OP and a few others have it right. Out of the two healers I play whm mainly and I never have a mana issue. Learning resource management is just part of the class and we're given all the tools to be effective at it. Mana breakdown through numbers would only prove similar results if coil turns and primals were just target dummies.

[Sanguisio]

I'd say SCH is less mana efficient in fights like t13 where you need to AOE heal everyone quite a few times.
WHM can cure3/Medica 2

SCH has EOS for some of it, but there are times succor spams need to be used

[ZhycranaDranix]

I've probably down'd this fight like 30-40 times now and na , SCH is there for the top off. I've never had to spam Succor unless, 1. the WHM is down 2. the WHM is low on MP or 3. the WHM blows

[Lyrinn]

I'd say SCH is less mana efficient in fights like t13 where you need to AOE heal everyone quite a few times.
WHM can cure3/Medica 2

SCH has EOS for some of it, but there are times succor spams need to be used

I can't think of any time you would need to spam succor. Other than megaflare/rage and megaflare/pillar combos, no additional damage follows up on AoEs and you have time to single target heal or let your fairy do her work. If that's not enough, I would have to question what your co-healer is doing - unless you're solo healing, in which case MP management is out the window anyways.